11 dead in French satirical magazine shooting

[Grey Fox]

They are not funny, they are suppose to make you feel shame.

[CountDeMoney]

It's a shame they're not funny. 

[Grey Fox]

You are not the intended audience.

[Legbiter]

Jes suis Charlie Martel? 

[derspiess]

Well, someone needs to make Seedy feel shame.

[crazy canuck]

It's so very easy to defend the freedom of speech of those we agree with. It requires no particular courage or intellectual rigour.

I don't see how that's true. I think we'd still call it courageous if a media outlet had been threatened and attacked for something mainstream that we agreed with. Similarly people who frustrated aims of would be attackers of said hypothetical media outlet would also be looked upon as courageous. I suppose less "intellectual rigour" as you wouldn't have the cognitive dissonance factor of having to verbally support something that you despite - but that's about it as a difference.

It is easy to defend the right of someone to say something you agree with.  One's commitment to freedom of speech is tested when defending the right of someone to say something you don't agree with.  Pretty straight forward I would think.

[Berkut]

This is pretty easy for me, really.

I don't agree with CBs stance or how they go about trying to offend for the sake of offense.

So yeah, I guess I pass the "Will you defend the rights of people to say things you don't like" test.

[derspiess]

Kind of odd that the US didn't even send Kerry to the Paris rally.

[Martinus]

It's my understanding they tend toward crudeness.

Americans

But yes, they do:

It doesn't help that there's a loss in translation when it comes to American understanding of Hedbo, because Americans have no real equivalent to Charlie Hedbo cartoons over here.  They're more akin to an underground 'zine, or something an angry 13 year old would draw.  That, and they're simply not very funny, but I don't believe that's the point of them, even though you people laugh at them for some reason.  Then again, the French love Jerry Lewis too, so there you go.

There's a difference between editorial cartoonists and political satire cartoonists here as well.

I think it may be a cultural difference. I understand that for the French Charlie Hebdo has been a bit of a national institution.

[Martinus]

Well, someone needs to make Seedy feel shame.

He is a Catholic. He feels shame every time he has an erection.

[The Brain]

It's my understanding they tend toward crudeness.

Americans

But yes, they do:

It doesn't help that there's a loss in translation when it comes to American understanding of Hedbo, because Americans have no real equivalent to Charlie Hedbo cartoons over here.  They're more akin to an underground 'zine, or something an angry 13 year old would draw.  That, and they're simply not very funny, but I don't believe that's the point of them, even though you people laugh at them for some reason.  Then again, the French love Jerry Lewis too, so there you go.

There's a difference between editorial cartoonists and political satire cartoonists here as well.

I think it may be a cultural difference. I understand that for the French Charlie Hebdo has been a bit of a national institution.

It's their MAD Magazine.

[Martinus]

Kind of odd that the US didn't even send Kerry to the Paris rally.

Maybe his Muslim boss didn't approve of the cartoons.

[Duque de Bragança]

Je suis Charlie Martel? 

Fixed!

Le Pen is a great troll indeed.

[crazy canuck]

This is pretty easy for me, really.

I don't agree with CBs stance or how they go about trying to offend for the sake of offense.

So yeah, I guess I pass the "Will you defend the rights of people to say things you don't like" test.

As I think would most of us.  But the further point being made by the Globe editorial is that defending their right to say it does not also include repeating what they said.

[CountDeMoney]

You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.