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Started by Brazen, January 07, 2015, 06:49:08 AM

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mongers

Quote from: derspiess on January 12, 2015, 11:15:44 AM
Kind of odd that the US didn't even send Kerry to the Paris rally.

Yeah thought that too, who was the ranking American, an under secretary or American ambassador to France?
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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

11B4V

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.
Well said.

Let alone just the poor taste of something like that. Perhaps France needs to re-evaluate. 
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"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

11B4V

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

Who cares who it was. It was still a political figure, correct? Poor taste. You all need to work on that.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

:secret: It's called "an example", Messieur Royale Assburgers. 

Fuck, even Assburger literalism is catching with the ones I didn't think would suffer from it.  Dense ass motherfuckers.

dps

Quote from: derspiess on January 12, 2015, 11:15:44 AM
Kind of odd that the US didn't even send Kerry to the Paris rally.

Hasn't France suffered enough?


CountDeMoney

And yeah, I fucked up "Monsieur".   :P  Deal, Le Bitche'.

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

Who cares who it was. It was still a political figure, correct? Poor taste. You all need to work on that.

Try to figure who it was, compared to Charlie Hebdo's political spectrum and then you'll be able to understand. What's next, Fox News being REALLY fair and balanced on Obama?
Mind you, I never said for this precise cartoon to be reprinted (too Franco-centric), only the ones about Mahomet. I don't see how the US public can judge if they don't see them.
As for poor taste, that's Charlie Hebdo trademark so if you had that in mind, you would have seen their Mahomet cartoons were pretty tame given their record.

mongers

Quote from: dps on January 12, 2015, 11:40:06 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 12, 2015, 11:15:44 AM
Kind of odd that the US didn't even send Kerry to the Paris rally.

Hasn't France suffered enough?

I think they didn't want to get yet another Nobel Prize.
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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
And yeah, I fucked up "Monsieur".   :P  Deal, Le Bitche'.

:secret: It's "La Bitche", if you really want to be insulting :) Genders etc.

Berkut

Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2015, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2015, 11:14:41 AM
This is pretty easy for me, really.

I don't agree with CBs stance or how they go about trying to offend for the sake of offense.

So yeah, I guess I pass the "Will you defend the rights of people to say things you don't like" test.

As I think would most of us.  But the further point being made by the Globe editorial is that defending their right to say it does not also include repeating what they said.

No argument from me. CB is a very peculiar kind of publication. Mainstream publications don't need to reprint their content in order to defend it.

The WSJ doesn't need to post porn on the front page in order to support the rights of porn producers, for example.
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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:36:46 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

:secret: It's called "an example", Messieur Royale Assburgers. 

Fuck, even Assburger literalism is catching with the ones I didn't think would suffer from it.  Dense ass motherfuckers.

I would have thought the anti-asperger Crusader would chose his examples better. Go back to enjoy CGI-explosions with Michael Bay à la Ide, will you? I'll stick with Le Samouraï.

11B4V

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

Who cares who it was. It was still a political figure, correct? Poor taste. You all need to work on that.

Try to figure who it was, compared to Charlie Hebdo's political spectrum and then you'll be able to understand. What's next, Fox News being REALLY fair and balanced on Obama?
Mind you, I never said for this precise cartoon to be reprinted (too Franco-centric), only the ones about Mahomet. I don't see how the US public can judge if they don't see them.
As for poor taste, that's Charlie Hebdo trademark so if you had that in mind, you would have seen their Mahomet cartoons were pretty tame given their record.

When was the last time Fox put up a photo of Hillary shaving her snatch? Or of Obama eating watermelon? You folks over there need to grow up.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Zoupa

Quote from: 11B4V on January 12, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 12, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
You are not the intended audience.

Then I don't see the reason for being critical of Americans for not "getting" it, or not republishing the cartoons in solidarity, fraternité, etc.

I don't think not publishing Andrea Merkel shaving her snatch on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a justified excuse to take a shot at American's so-called "freedom of speech", either.

:secret: It was not Angela Merkel in the cover Martinus used, it was Marine Le Pen. Seems this fanzine for immature, teenage-like old leftists/'68 'tards is too subtle for you.

Who cares who it was. It was still a political figure, correct? Poor taste. You all need to work on that.

Is an american really calling poor taste on the French?

CH is a product of a long history of dragging mofos in the gutter and calling public figures on their constant bullshit.

Pamphlets during the Ancien Regime, tracts leading to the revolution, 19th century newspapers, anti gaullists and 1968 journals like CH.

Read up. Then you'll understand why it's vital to see Le Pen shave her snatch on the front page :P Because fuck her. And fuck Mahomet.

And fuck you.