11 dead in French satirical magazine shooting

[Jacob]

Sorry, not yet, but they were identified. One from Reims, the other two, brothers, from Gennevilliers, a Parisian suburb.

Much less good

[Martinus]

You really do need to read it in Greek to get the puns, like the one about being born again vs being born from above, which is only a joke in Greek, not Aramaic.

Which amusingly means the joke is on Jesus, who certainly spoke Aramaic, but likely little if any Greek.

From a certain perspective, the entire Christian religion is a joke on Jesus.

[derspiess]

He spoke English

[The Brain]

I think he understood English, but I don't think he spoke it well enough to feel confident in general conversation.

[Jacob]

I don't think 'they' have ever demanded respect, rather an end to persecution and equality before the law. Its then up to the rest of use to like, embrace or otherwise the cultural aspects of LGBT life.

I have certainly heard LGBT activists demand respect for their cause in any number of venues and contexts, so I don't think I can agree with that.

It's pretty clear to me that respect is not given, but earned; so you just can't put your ideology or religion into the public space and demand it be respected, without a positive contribution on it's or your part.

Yeah, respect is not something you get just because you demand it. But some people demanding respect for their position does not, in my view, mean all people who hold that position should be mocked.

[crazy canuck]

You really do need to read it in Greek to get the puns, like the one about being born again vs being born from above, which is only a joke in Greek, not Aramaic.

Which amusingly means the joke is on Jesus, who certainly spoke Aramaic, but likely little if any Greek.

And is one of the arguments for the proposition that a historical Jesus never existed.

[Jacob]

He spoke English

Must have been pretty awkward given how no one around him understood it.

[The Minsky Moment]

He spoke English

Of course but that was only later when he visited the Native Americans with the Angel Moroni

[crazy canuck]

He spoke English

Must have been pretty awkward given how no one around him understood it.

That's why the Gospels are filled with contradictions.

[Malthus]

A statement from Salman Rushdie, now being re-tweeted by Neil Gaiman and other writers:

"Religion, a mediaeval form of unreason, when combined with modern weaponry becomes a real threat to our freedoms. This religious totalitarianism has caused a deadly mutation in the heart of Islam and we see the tragic consequences in Paris today. I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity. 'Respect for religion' has become a code phrase meaning 'fear of religion.' Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect."  –Salman Rushdie

I could not agree more. I guess for several people here, that's racism and bigotry but go fuck yourself.

It is silly in several respects.

First, there is nothing particularly "medieval" about religion - something that has existed since, as far as we know, the dawn of humanity.

Second, the notion that these terrorists represent the "heart of Islam" is simply untrue.

Third, while I support the right to satirize anything without fear of violence, I am unclear as to why all ideas "deserve disrespect".

He didn't say religion was medieval, he said religion was a medieval form of unreason. Nouns and Adjectives are different things.

He also didn't say they represented the heart of islam, he said religious totalitarianism was a deadly mutation in the heart of islam.

Reading comprehension much?

Religion is in no way "medieval". Terrorism is not part of the heart of Islam, and so cannot be "a deadly mutation in the heart of islam". And it makes no sense to state that all ideas "deserve disrespect" - I point I see you did not bother to contest. Surely some ideas deserve disrespect and others do not, depending on content?

For famous writers, they sure have trouble conveying simple ideas - that people should be free to satyrize anything without fear of assault - without mixing in a lot of silliness.

[garbon]

Why is it that all religions "deserve" disrespect?

Because they demand respect.

Yup.

What should we do about gay people demanding respect?

I don't think 'they' have ever demanded respect, rather an end to persecution and equality before the law. Its then up to the rest of use to like, embrace or otherwise the cultural aspects of LGBT life.

It's pretty clear to me that respect is not given, but earned; so you just can't put your ideology or religion into the public space and demand it be respected, without a positive contribution on it's or your part.

Very well said.

But false. Gays most definitely demand respect.

[garbon]

I don't think 'they' have ever demanded respect, rather an end to persecution and equality before the law. Its then up to the rest of use to like, embrace or otherwise the cultural aspects of LGBT life.

I have certainly heard LGBT activists demand respect for their cause in any number of venues and contexts, so I don't think I can agree with that.

It's pretty clear to me that respect is not given, but earned; so you just can't put your ideology or religion into the public space and demand it be respected, without a positive contribution on it's or your part.

Yeah, respect is not something you get just because you demand it. But some people demanding respect for their position does not, in my view, mean all people who hold that position should be mocked.

[Viking]

You really do need to read it in Greek to get the puns, like the one about being born again vs being born from above, which is only a joke in Greek, not Aramaic.

Which amusingly means the joke is on Jesus, who certainly spoke Aramaic, but likely little if any Greek.

It also means the entire encounter is fictitious, written by greeks for greeks after the fact. It's like claiming the "who's on first" routine was translated word for word from German. It's some other story about somebody else inserted into the gospels making jesus the protagonist after the fact.

[The Brain]

A statement from Salman Rushdie, now being re-tweeted by Neil Gaiman and other writers:

"Religion, a mediaeval form of unreason, when combined with modern weaponry becomes a real threat to our freedoms. This religious totalitarianism has caused a deadly mutation in the heart of Islam and we see the tragic consequences in Paris today. I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity. 'Respect for religion' has become a code phrase meaning 'fear of religion.' Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect."  –Salman Rushdie

I could not agree more. I guess for several people here, that's racism and bigotry but go fuck yourself.

It is silly in several respects.

First, there is nothing particularly "medieval" about religion - something that has existed since, as far as we know, the dawn of humanity.

Second, the notion that these terrorists represent the "heart of Islam" is simply untrue.

Third, while I support the right to satirize anything without fear of violence, I am unclear as to why all ideas "deserve disrespect".

He didn't say religion was medieval, he said religion was a medieval form of unreason. Nouns and Adjectives are different things.

He also didn't say they represented the heart of islam, he said religious totalitarianism was a deadly mutation in the heart of islam.

Reading comprehension much?

Religion is in no way "medieval". Terrorism is not part of the heart of Islam, and so cannot be "a deadly mutation in the heart of islam". And it makes no sense to state that all ideas "deserve disrespect" - I point I see you did not bother to contest. Surely some ideas deserve disrespect and others do not, depending on content?

For famous writers, they sure have trouble conveying simple ideas - that people should be free to satyrize anything without fear of assault - without mixing in a lot of silliness.

Terrorism not part of the heart of Islam? LOL We fight the Islam we have, not the Islam we wish we had.

I think you understand what he meant by all ideas deserve disrespect.

[mongers]

Why is it that all religions "deserve" disrespect?

Because they demand respect.

Yup.

What should we do about gay people demanding respect?

I don't think 'they' have ever demanded respect, rather an end to persecution and equality before the law. Its then up to the rest of use to like, embrace or otherwise the cultural aspects of LGBT life.

It's pretty clear to me that respect is not given, but earned; so you just can't put your ideology or religion into the public space and demand it be respected, without a positive contribution on it's or your part.

Very well said.

But false. Gays most definitely demand respect.

Well you're not getting any until your post here have a better tone.   

edit:
And several us are a hair's breadth away to resolving this dispute down to the dictionary definition of respect, tis the Languish way.