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11 dead in French satirical magazine shooting

Started by Brazen, January 07, 2015, 06:49:08 AM

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Habbaku

Because when I hear about a tragedy, my first instinct is to wonder how it will affect the local elections.

Psycho.
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Liep

Quote from: Habbaku on January 07, 2015, 12:36:06 PM
Because when I hear about a tragedy, my first instinct is to wonder how it will affect the local elections.

Psycho.

Yeah, the lack of empathy and the focus on personal gain really is worrying.
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Norgy

QuoteThe accusation that we are pouring oil on the flames in the current situation really gets on my nerves. After the publication of this absurd and grotesque film about Muhammad in the US, other newspapers have responded to the protests with cover stories. We are doing the same thing, but with drawings. And a drawing has never killed anyone.

We publish caricatures every week, but people only describe them as declarations of war when it's about the person of the Prophet or radical Islam. When you start saying that you can't create such drawings, then the same thing will soon apply to other, more harmless representations

Editor Stéphane Charbonnier, now according to reports killed.

A brave man, and one who should always be remembered. Today, even I feel a bit French.



Drakken

Seems like Le Monde, France Inter, and other media networks in France have vouched to provide all support and staff needed to ensure what remains of Charlie Hebdo continues to live on.   :thumbsup:


Viking

Quote from: Drakken on January 07, 2015, 12:47:18 PM
Seems like Le Monde, France Inter, and other media networks in France have vouched to provide all support and staff needed to ensure what remains of Charlie Hebdo continues to live on.   :thumbsup:

Well vilifying them as racists and islamophobes who only have their own racism to blame for the threats against them sort of has to come to an end?... then again, it only took one day for LeMonde to end is pro USA 9/11 sympathy.
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A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
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Grey Fox

Quote from: Drakken on January 07, 2015, 12:47:18 PM
Seems like Le Monde, France Inter, and other media networks in France have vouched to provide all support and staff needed to ensure what remains of Charlie Hebdo continues to live on.   :thumbsup:

Hell, they'll probably get US Feds money if they ask for it.
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Grallon

Quote from: Habbaku on January 07, 2015, 12:36:06 PM
Because when I hear about a tragedy, my first instinct is to wonder how it will affect the local elections.

Psycho.


:rolleyes: 


Those people died as much because of the stupidity of all those who insist on denying there's a problem with Islam as from the bullets of the jihadis.  Or will someone have the gall to pretend this was nothing but an act of lunacy perpetrated by mental defectives?  Had the problem been named, had precautions been taken, you might not have had this golden opportunity to wring you hands and insult me.



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Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2015, 09:15:08 AM
I've had a lunatic hold a knife to my throat and threaten to kill me.

This should have its own thread.
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 07, 2015, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2015, 09:15:08 AM
I've had a lunatic hold a knife to my throat and threaten to kill me.

This should have its own thread.

Yeah, in the backroom! :mad:
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Valmy

Quote from: Syt on January 07, 2015, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 07, 2015, 11:12:41 AM
Ok, I want to make a commitment. I will read the whole Quran.

From what I understand you have to read it in Arabic. Translations aren't considered to really be the word or Allah.

I find that perspective rather humorous.  That is like saying one must read the New Testament in the original Greek, you know what Jesus spoke.
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Barrister

Quote from: Habbaku on January 07, 2015, 12:36:06 PM
Because when I hear about a tragedy, my first instinct is to wonder how it will affect the local elections.

Psycho.

Much as I dislike defending Grallon (and I'm not really), but in the face of a tragedy we often grasp at straws.  We look for things we can discuss and control, instead of the unexplicable horror that has just happened.

When Edmonton's 9-person homicide was first announced, I felt guilty that my first or second thought was 'gee, I wonder who is going to get that file'.

But while that reaction is fairly normal, common decency doesn't means not looking quite so gleeful about multiple murders.
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Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2015, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 07, 2015, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 07, 2015, 11:12:41 AM
Ok, I want to make a commitment. I will read the whole Quran.

From what I understand you have to read it in Arabic. Translations aren't considered to really be the word or Allah.

I find that perspective rather humorous.  That is like saying one must read the New Testament in the original Greek, you know what Jesus spoke.

And there's something to that - it would avoid all of the fights over translations that have happened over the centuries.
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Quote from: Norgy on January 07, 2015, 12:43:36 PM
QuoteThe accusation that we are pouring oil on the flames in the current situation really gets on my nerves. After the publication of this absurd and grotesque film about Muhammad in the US, other newspapers have responded to the protests with cover stories. We are doing the same thing, but with drawings. And a drawing has never killed anyone.

We publish caricatures every week, but people only describe them as declarations of war when it's about the person of the Prophet or radical Islam. When you start saying that you can't create such drawings, then the same thing will soon apply to other, more harmless representations

Editor Stéphane Charbonnier, now according to reports killed.

A brave man, and one who should always be remembered. Today, even I feel a bit French.

Except in that earlier instance, they definitely were adding oil to the flame - oh and I don't recall anyone (governments) saying that they couldn't publish those cartoons when they did, but rather questioned the judgement to do so.
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Liep

Quote from: Barrister on January 07, 2015, 01:01:48 PM

Much as I dislike defending Grallon (and I'm not really), but in the face of a tragedy we often grasp at straws.  We look for things we can discuss and control, instead of the unexplicable horror that has just happened.

When Edmonton's 9-person homicide was first announced, I felt guilty that my first or second thought was 'gee, I wonder who is going to get that file'.

But while that reaction is fairly normal, common decency doesn't means not looking quite so gleeful about multiple murders.

Personal thoughts are one thing. You didn't text your colleagues with that question, because you knew that would be stupid.
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