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Thaw in US - Cuba relations

Started by Jacob, December 17, 2014, 12:17:45 PM

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Jacob

QuoteThe United States will open an embassy in Cuba for the first time in a half century and restore full diplomatic relations, senior administration officials announced Wednesday.
As part of the diplomatic thaw, the U.S. will ease restrictions on remittances, travel, and banking relations regarding Cuba. Meanwhile, Cuba will release 53 prisoners identified as political prisoners by the U.S. The economic embargo imposed on Cuba by the U.S. during the Eisenhower administration will remain in place for now.

The news follows Cuba's release of U.S. citizen Alan Gross from prison Wednesday after five years in captivity. (The U.S. also exchanged three alleged Cuban spies in return for a U.S. intelligence agent held in a Cuban prison for nearly 20 years.) The diplomatic breakthrough is the result of 18 months of secret negotiations between the U.S. and Cuba, brokered by the Vatican.

Raul Castro and President Obama will both speak, separately, around noon Eastern time.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/12/17/gross-not-part-of-cuba-spy-swap.html

Good? Bad? Terrible? Domestic repercussions in Cuba and the US?

What are your thoughts?

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Zanza

The US policy on Cuba in general seems nonsensical to me.

Grey Fox

It's a wonderful things for Cubans. Not so much for Canadian tourists tho.
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Berkut

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derspiess

If the Cuban gubmint would throw us a bone and make at least one real democratic reform, I'd be okay with it.  But if we're not insisting on something like that (and I'm guessing we're not) then what is there to negotiate?
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Grey Fox

Quote from: derspiess on December 17, 2014, 12:24:09 PM
If the Cuban gubmint would throw us a bone and make at least one real democratic reform, I'd be okay with it.  But if we're not insisting on something like that (and I'm guessing we're not) then what is there to negotiate?

The US has been going at this the wrong way for 50 years, it's time to wake up & realise victory will come when you give them your culture, not take it away.
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The Brain

America should share its nuclear culture with them.
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Berkut

Quote from: derspiess on December 17, 2014, 12:24:09 PM
If the Cuban gubmint would throw us a bone and make at least one real democratic reform, I'd be okay with it.  But if we're not insisting on something like that (and I'm guessing we're not) then what is there to negotiate?

Why?

Why should we require them to make some token reform that *we* approve of in order to treat them like many other countries we deal with all the time?
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derspiess

Sounds like 100% normalized relations.  Wow.  Wonder what Hillary's take on this will be.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/17/politics/cuba-alan-gross-deal/
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Zanza

QuoteThe economic embargo imposed on Cuba by the U.S. during the Eisenhower administration will remain in place for now.
Can anybody think of a similar totally ineffective policy that has been kept around for 60+ years?

derspiess

Quote from: Berkut on December 17, 2014, 12:27:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 17, 2014, 12:24:09 PM
If the Cuban gubmint would throw us a bone and make at least one real democratic reform, I'd be okay with it.  But if we're not insisting on something like that (and I'm guessing we're not) then what is there to negotiate?

Why?

Why should we require them to make some token reform that *we* approve of in order to treat them like many other countries we deal with all the time?

Because the embargo was the status quo.  In order for us to make the effort to change the status quo, we ought to get something in return.  Like I said, just throw us a frickin' bone.

Or at least give me one opportunity to kick Fidel in the nuts.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

The Brain

Quote from: Zanza on December 17, 2014, 12:29:34 PM
QuoteThe economic embargo imposed on Cuba by the U.S. during the Eisenhower administration will remain in place for now.
Can anybody think of a similar totally ineffective policy that has been kept around for 60+ years?

Meh, can't think of anything witty enough.
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