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Thaw in US - Cuba relations

Started by Jacob, December 17, 2014, 12:17:45 PM

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grumbler

Quote from: viper37 on July 12, 2021, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 12, 2021, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 12, 2021, 03:59:26 PM
Allow me to explain (without endorsing):

1. The government of Cuba (and Venezuela, and others beside) are popular revolutionary governments for the people, by the people.

2. What appears to popular opposition against them is in fact encouraged and manufactured by imperialist aggressors - the US first and foremost, but any Western Country could be involved (especially the local country where the "hands off" prostestor is located). The CIA is most assuredly involved.

3. So the hands that should be taken off are those of the foreign governments encouraging the overthrow of the legitimate regime in Cuba for the benefits of capitalist elites.

Yeah, but that's not real - nobody actually believes such nonsense.

Right?
when did you become so naive?  :huh:

:whoosh:
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viper37

Quote from: grumbler on July 12, 2021, 05:39:00 PM

No, the Labour Party is British.  AOC and Bernie Sanders are Americans.
I thought the DSA was the Democratic Socialists of America :uh:
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

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Savonarola

The word "Filibuster" comes to us from a Spanish word meaning "Freebooter" (filibustero.)  In the nineteenth century it meant an expedition to start or support an insurrection, usually in a Latin American country.  The American author, Stephen Crane, traveled on a filibuster out of Jacksonville, Florida to go to work as a war correspondent in Cuba.  They made it about as far as Daytona when the boat sank, which became the basis of his short story The Open Boat.  I was reminded of that when I read the following:

QuoteArmed with water, canned pasta and no plan, group sets off for Cuba to support protests
BY BIANCA PADRÓ OCASIO
JULY 12, 2021 09:59 PM, UPDATED JULY 13, 2021 08:21 AM


The group began arriving at 4:30 p.m. at the marina on the 79th Street Causeway on Monday, drawn by a mysterious post on Instagram that said there would be a flotilla of boats headed for Cuba. Soon, dozens had shown up to support the mission with bottled water, flashlights and boxes of canned Chef Boyardee pasta.

"We're going to Havana. If we have to intervene, if we have to stay, we'll do what we have to do," said Santiago Rivero, a local Cuban-American personality who has a following of over 93,000 on Instagram in his account, @santyogbetua. "The [U.S.] president has done nothing, supposedly. At a minimum, we want to stand at the border of what are the Havana limits."

The group is one of several in Miami who have been moved to support Sunday's massive demonstrations in Cuba by claiming they will go there themselves. The protests throughout the island drew thousands of people to demonstrate against the Cuban government and calling for the end of the communist regime, sparked by recent shortages in food, medicine and vaccines driven by the COVID-19 pandemic. Several videos have since surfaced showing repression of peaceful protesters from special forces on the island. Dozens have been arrested or gone missing.

In response, Cuban influencers and other social media personalities in Miami posted on Monday that they would make the 10-hour boat ride across the Florida Straits to Cuba to show their support, maybe bring some aid — and guns, just in case. Most importantly, people should offer up their boats, they said.

Rivero himself shared the post to his followers asking them to show up on Monday evening. And for several hours, the group that had proposed leaving the Pelican Harbor Marina in North Bay Village and showing up near Cuba unannounced to "see what happens" seemingly had everything — a crowd eager to send them off, ham and cheese sandwiches, speakers blasting the viral protest song "Patria y Vida."

Everything, that is, except a boat.

"We're not going with weapons," Rivero said, contradicting what some posts on social media promised. "This is not some political problem or anything. Simply and plainly, it's for whatever the police is doing in Cuba, to do it to us instead."

Eventually, the group of about 10 committed men managed to secure an open fishing boat without a cabin, much to the glee of the crowd that had gathered, including several young children and a woman wearing hospital scrubs. And by 8:30 p.m., the leaders had confirmed several other vessels planned to go as well. The group of men, some dressed in Michael Jordan sneakers and Adidas sweatpants, would make the journey historically made in reverse by Cuban refugees for decades, into the uncertainty of the sea to seemingly confront the government some of them had fled. They used the TV cameras to spread the message and swear to their friends over text messages that the trip was serious.

The gathering attracted the attention of authorities, who showed up at one point at the parking lot of the 79th Street marina in patrol cars, a helicopter and a boat. Rivero, who had become the informal emcee of the hyped-up audience, told the cops it would be a peaceful gathering. In fact, if they managed to get on the water, for Rivero and a few others who've left family behind on the island, it would be a homecoming.

Close to 9 p.m., rain poured and lightning flashed. Some of the volunteers who had brought cases of water and other supplies helped move them quickly onto the dock. A few in the group who had been intent on saving their countrymen from communism ran back to their cars. It's unclear if the rest boarded the boat. The rain blurred the horizon.

An hour or so later, Rivero broadcast the journey live on Instagram. But when he panned the horizon it was clear they were still close to the Miami coastline.



People wait for boats to arrive as a pile of donated goods grows, to be taken to the citizens of Cuba via boats leaving from Pelican Harbor Marina in Miami, Florida, on Monday, July 12, 2021. DANIEL A. VARELA [email protected]

A revolution led by Instagram influencers sounds like a premise for a really wicked satire; but in Florida it's just another day.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

grumbler

Quote from: viper37 on July 14, 2021, 11:20:06 AM
I thought the DSA was the Democratic Socialists of America :uh:

It is, but it is not a party.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Savonarola on July 14, 2021, 12:14:59 PM
A revolution led by Instagram influencers sounds like a premise for a really wicked satire; but in Florida it's just another day.

:D

Syt

After claims that the protests are sparked by foreign interference we can now pinpoint the culprit: CANADA :ph34r:

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grumbler

Quote from: crazy canuck on July 21, 2021, 12:25:04 PM
Years of clandestine success - destroyed  :(

The Canadian bar for "success" is too low.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

crazy canuck

Quote from: grumbler on July 21, 2021, 01:38:54 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 21, 2021, 12:25:04 PM
Years of clandestine success - destroyed  :(

The Canadian bar for "success" is too low.

Have you seen our budget for such things?

HVC

if Cuba comes out commie free it'll look like Canadians will have to fin a new vacation spot.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

crazy canuck

Quote from: HVC on July 21, 2021, 04:16:36 PM
if Cuba comes out commie free it'll look like Canadians will have to fin a new vacation spot.

Move on to finish another one off?  That is awfully dark.

viper37

Quote from: HVC on July 21, 2021, 04:16:36 PM
if Cuba comes out commie free it'll look like Canadians will have to fin a new vacation spot.
By all means, let our army of tourists invade Venezuela.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.