Mulatto and you

[Jacob]

I really gotta disagree with Martim's notion that the races get along just fine in Brazil, and it's only those problematic left-wing american ideas that have brought the notion of racism into a country where it never existed.

It's a very diverse country, almost the same size as the US, and it was a country also very much affected by a history of slavery (and went on even longer than in the US).  Yes, there has been more "mixing" of the races than in the US, but it's no accident that the elites in Brazil are very light-skinned, while those who live in the favelas have very dark skin...

An interesting thing I've come across in literature is how much race is tied to socio-economic status in Brazil, to the point that a poor favela resident will much more often be described as black (by himself and others) compared to a well off middle class individual, even if the middle class individual actually has darker skin and more African features than the favela resident.

[CountDeMoney]

The sad truth of that thread is Grumbler probably has just the book I'm looking for but he won't tell me because he's cruel.

It's tough love.  You'll never learn your library skills if you don't go and find shit for yourself.

[derspiess]

An interesting thing I've come across in literature is how much race is tied to socio-economic status in Brazil, to the point that a poor favela resident will much more often be described as black (by himself and others) compared to a well off middle class individual, even if the middle class individual actually has darker skin and more African features than the favela resident.

Argies seem to have a similar concept.

[Zoupa]

I use it in french on occasion, but it does feel dated in english.

[Razgovory]

The sad truth of that thread is Grumbler probably has just the book I'm looking for but he won't tell me because he's cruel.

It's tough love.  You'll never learn your library skills if you don't go and find shit for yourself.

Man I was so confused in College.  In Elementary school I learned the Dewey Decimal system.  When I got to college, they had some alien system I'd never heard of.

[Duque de Bragança]

This does make me wonder quite how acceptable 'mulatto' really is in the Lusosphere for its objects

'Mulatto is unacceptable since its 'mulato' 
At worst, slightly more used among the older generations but in no way unacceptable.

[grumbler]

That This sentence could earn a prize in the "most pathetic attempt at trolling" category.

Fixed that for you.

Wow, you're really bent on using those silly sociological arguments to argue? 

In my days (and surely yours), Humans were a Species, which was then split into a subspecies (to which Homo Sapiens Sapiens -us - belonged to) and then races (mongoloid, caucasoid and negroid) and later into subraces.

In the first world, we gave this up long before my time, and perhaps even before yours.  Humans have no scientific division below subspecies.  racists just made up the whole "race" and "subrace" belief of yours.

Debating the workings of a political system that changes the definition of "race" at will is pretty much pointless, as is arguing with people that actually believe that garbage.

Indeed.  Debating the concept of 'race" with anyone who believes that garbage is pretty pointless.

After all, if it was all "social constructs", it would not be possible to use blood samples to determine the genetic makeup of populations, nor to tell with full accuracy a person's racial heritage. But since it is possible to do so, there are clear genetic differences between Human populations.

Nice strawman, but it won't fly.  There is no way to tell "race" by blood samples.  In fact, one cannot even define a "race," let along its genetic makeup.

That said, if you really can't tell the geographical origins of a literally charcoal-black person with full negroid features that is speaking an african language from a Chinese or from an Hungarian, and really beleve there are zero genetic differences between them, I - and everyone else outside the PC sphere - can only shake my head and let you wonder around your LaLa land.

Again, lots of starwman and red herrings here.  Too Raz to be worth responding to.

For the record, everytime I am around a multiracial environment, everyone just accepts their racial differences and we roll with it - we accept that the Chinese dude doesn't want to drink too much, as they cannot resist alcohol as well as other races, for example, and don't force him to drink - and get along nicely.

It's only when the "zomg we are all alike" lunatics arrive and insist we follow whatever they percieve as being "racially correct" attitudes that things turn sour.

Another strawman.  "Race" is a social construct isn't "zomg we are all alike."  Again, though, too Raz a comment to be worthy of a reply.

[Malthus]

Dated by centuries (in English).

If someone calls a Black person a "spade" (see another thread on this one), check to see if they are wearing bellbottoms - they may have escaped from the 1970s.

If someone calls a Black person a "mulatto", check to see if they are wearing breeches - they may have escaped from the 1770s.

[Eddie Teach]

Love how grumbler dissects a post into half a dozen segments and replies to each yet still concludes its not worthy of a reply. 

[11B4V]

It's an affliction.

[Barrister]

I really gotta disagree with Martim's notion that the races get along just fine in Brazil, and it's only those problematic left-wing american ideas that have brought the notion of racism into a country where it never existed.

It's a very diverse country, almost the same size as the US, and it was a country also very much affected by a history of slavery (and went on even longer than in the US).  Yes, there has been more "mixing" of the races than in the US, but it's no accident that the elites in Brazil are very light-skinned, while those who live in the favelas have very dark skin...

An interesting thing I've come across in literature is how much race is tied to socio-economic status in Brazil, to the point that a poor favela resident will much more often be described as black (by himself and others) compared to a well off middle class individual, even if the middle class individual actually has darker skin and more African features than the favela resident.

From my experience (which was only 2 weeks, in one city in one particular part of brazil) - I forget exactly when this was said, but I thought there was a faint emphasis to point out that their heritage was european, not black (despite living in black-majority Bahia, and despite some of them having pretty dark skin).  It was not that I ever heard a racist thing said about blacks, far from it, but it was still a pretty segregated society.  When we went to a resort town, the town itself was populated by quite dark-skinned people, but all the guests were again light-skinned.

[grumbler]

Love how grumbler dissects a post into half a dozen segments and replies to each yet still concludes its not worthy of a reply. 

Some segments worth responding to, some not.  Love how you moan about my posts without apparently reading anything but the last line. 

[Ed Anger]

It's an affliction.

Whoosh

[11B4V]

I shouldn't be amazed, but I am still shocked how 11B extols ignorance as a virtue.

Told you
sweet mulatto Ice Cream Cake

[CountDeMoney]

Told you
sweet mulatto Ice Cream Cake

"Sweet Mulatto" is also the name of one of your interracial porn series, fella.  Still not off the hook.