Erdogan: Muslims discovered America in 12th century

[Siege]

Bottom line, who cares?
Historically, the only effect discovery did was with Columbus expedition.
Who gives a fuck if anybody made it earlier, if it did not influence history and further exploration?

Columbus is the greatest explorer, ban none.

[Viking]

Bottom line, who cares?
Historically, the only effect discovery did was with Columbus expedition.
Who gives a fuck if anybody made it earlier, if it did not influence history and further exploration?

Columbus is the greatest explorer, ban none.

Holy shit, Siegy makes a valid point for once. It doesn't matter since it is only relevant as to erdogan's honesty and/or ego stroking. It has nothing to do with america.

[Martinus]

Bottom line, who cares?
Historically, the only effect discovery did was with Columbus expedition.
Who gives a fuck if anybody made it earlier, if it did not influence history and further exploration?

Columbus is the greatest explorer, ban none.

That was the point I was making, half jokingly, too. Columbus was the only one who managed to "monetise" the discovery.

[Siege]

Bottom line, who cares?
Historically, the only effect discovery did was with Columbus expedition.
Who gives a fuck if anybody made it earlier, if it did not influence history and further exploration?

Columbus is the greatest explorer, ban none.

That was the point I was making, half jokingly, too. Columbus was the only one who managed to "monetise" the discovery.

I don't know about monetize.
I think more in terms of returned investment.
Basicly, Columbus made it back, and that meant land to exploit.

Europe was already taken, palletized among owners.
America was open for exploitation.
This is what make the difference.
The land of opportunities.

In the world game for cultural supremacy, the only supremacy that matters, cultural perception of success, the Spaniards failed in attracting female immigrants to the Americas.
That meant Spaniards ended up marrying indian females, and having mixed children which meant mixed cultural perception of the economy.

This is not about racism, but about cultural efficiency.
There is a reason why the Spaniards got to America instead of the Aztecs or the Incas making it to Europe.
Native American culture was way behind, because it did not enjoy the Middle Eastern Package (Cereals, Sheep, Cows, Horses).
While Europe did.

Im sorry, but corn is not enough to make a civ.
And lets not talk about writing.

When you ask people what is the greatest invention ever, they always say the wheel.
It is writing, my friend.
The ability to transmit knowledge from one generation to the next.

[Razgovory]

Well, the guys who showed up 10,000 years ago had an impact as well.

[Razgovory]

Bottom line, who cares?
Historically, the only effect discovery did was with Columbus expedition.
Who gives a fuck if anybody made it earlier, if it did not influence history and further exploration?

Columbus is the greatest explorer, ban none.

That was the point I was making, half jokingly, too. Columbus was the only one who managed to "monetise" the discovery.

I don't know about monetize.
I think more in terms of returned investment.
Basicly, Columbus made it back, and that meant land to exploit.

Europe was already taken, palletized among owners.
America was open for exploitation.
This is what make the difference.
The land of opportunities.

In the world game for cultural supremacy, the only supremacy that matters, cultural perception of success, the Spaniards failed in attracting female immigrants to the Americas.
That meant Spaniards ended up marrying indian females, and having mixed children which meant mixed cultural perception of the economy.

This is not about racism, but about cultural efficiency.
There is a reason why the Spaniards got to America instead of the Aztecs or the Incas making it to Europe.
Native American culture was way behind, because it did not enjoy the Middle Eastern Package (Cereals, Sheep, Cows, Horses).
While Europe did.

Im sorry, but corn is not enough to make a civ.
And lets not talk about writing.

When you ask people what is the greatest invention ever, they always say the wheel.
It is writing, my friend.
The ability to transmit knowledge from one generation to the next.

You really are a dumb bastard.  What the hell is "cultural efficiency"?

[Siege]

Well, the guys who showed up 10,000 years ago had an impact as well.

Good point.
They were a one-way travel expedition though.
See how in the polinessian world not all got the whole polinatan package, meaning pigs, chicken and rice.

The lack of uniformity in the spread of the Polynesian package leads to the perception of one-way trips during the Polynesian expand.

Don'y get me wrong, the Polynesian expand is definitively one of the greatest human expansions.

[Martinus]

Bottom line, who cares?
Historically, the only effect discovery did was with Columbus expedition.
Who gives a fuck if anybody made it earlier, if it did not influence history and further exploration?

Columbus is the greatest explorer, ban none.

That was the point I was making, half jokingly, too. Columbus was the only one who managed to "monetise" the discovery.

I don't know about monetize.
I think more in terms of returned investment.
Basicly, Columbus made it back, and that meant land to exploit.

Europe was already taken, palletized among owners.
America was open for exploitation.
This is what make the difference.
The land of opportunities.

In the world game for cultural supremacy, the only supremacy that matters, cultural perception of success, the Spaniards failed in attracting female immigrants to the Americas.
That meant Spaniards ended up marrying indian females, and having mixed children which meant mixed cultural perception of the economy.

This is not about racism, but about cultural efficiency.
There is a reason why the Spaniards got to America instead of the Aztecs or the Incas making it to Europe.
Native American culture was way behind, because it did not enjoy the Middle Eastern Package (Cereals, Sheep, Cows, Horses).
While Europe did.

Im sorry, but corn is not enough to make a civ.
And lets not talk about writing.

When you ask people what is the greatest invention ever, they always say the wheel.
It is writing, my friend.
The ability to transmit knowledge from one generation to the next.

Well this "cultural efficiency" is broadly what we call "monetise" these days. The language changed but the underlying idea remains - a discovery only makes sense if you are able to develop it, to use it and to gain from it (in the broad sense).

Btw, I thought at first you were writing a poem.

[grumbler]

Bottom line, who cares?
Historically, the only effect discovery did was with Columbus expedition.
Who gives a fuck if anybody made it earlier, if it did not influence history and further exploration?

Columbus is the greatest explorer, ban none.

That was the point I was making, half jokingly, too. Columbus was the only one who managed to "monetise" the discovery.

I don't know about monetize.
I think more in terms of returned investment.
Basicly, Columbus made it back, and that meant land to exploit.

Europe was already taken, palletized among owners.
America was open for exploitation.
This is what make the difference.
The land of opportunities.

In the world game for cultural supremacy, the only supremacy that matters, cultural perception of success, the Spaniards failed in attracting female immigrants to the Americas.
That meant Spaniards ended up marrying indian females, and having mixed children which meant mixed cultural perception of the economy.

This is not about racism, but about cultural efficiency.
There is a reason why the Spaniards got to America instead of the Aztecs or the Incas making it to Europe.
Native American culture was way behind, because it did not enjoy the Middle Eastern Package (Cereals, Sheep, Cows, Horses).
While Europe did.

Im sorry, but corn is not enough to make a civ.
And lets not talk about writing.

When you ask people what is the greatest invention ever, they always say the wheel.
It is writing, my friend.
The ability to transmit knowledge from one generation to the next.

Well this "cultural efficiency" is broadly what we call "monetise" these days. The language changed but the underlying idea remains - a discovery only makes sense if you are able to develop it, to use it and to gain from it (in the broad sense).

Btw, I thought at first you were writing a poem.

I thought it was a poem as well.  I just couldn't figure out what language it was written in.

[Siege]

My bad.
I have a bad habit of pressing enter after using the dot(.).

[Razgovory]

Well, the guys who showed up 10,000 years ago had an impact as well.

Good point.
They were a one-way travel expedition though.
See how in the polinessian world not all got the whole polinatan package, meaning pigs, chicken and rice.

The lack of uniformity in the spread of the Polynesian package leads to the perception of one-way trips during the Polynesian expand.

Don'y get me wrong, the Polynesian expand is definitively one of the greatest human expansions.

Actually people did travel back and forth.  They simply had no writing.  They didn't have writing because the carrying capacity of the environment wasn't great enough to allow for cities and so there was no need to develop writing.  There are people who live in Siberia who have language with a close affinity to that of some native peoples in the American South West.  Pigs, Chicken and rice are not the result of some sort of a "cultural efficiency" or ability to "monetize".  They are simple elements of geography.  People can't increase "cultural efficiency" and invent pigs nor conjure up rice farms because of a desire to monetize their environment.

[The Brain]

SiegeAnk.

[Siege]

Well, the guys who showed up 10,000 years ago had an impact as well.

Good point.
They were a one-way travel expedition though.
See how in the polinessian world not all got the whole polinatan package, meaning pigs, chicken and rice.

The lack of uniformity in the spread of the Polynesian package leads to the perception of one-way trips during the Polynesian expand.

Don'y get me wrong, the Polynesian expand is definitively one of the greatest human expansions.

Actually people did travel back and forth.  They simply had no writing.  They didn't have writing because the carrying capacity of the environment wasn't great enough to allow for cities and so there was no need to develop writing.  There are people who live in Siberia who have language with a close affinity to that of some native peoples in the American South West.  Pigs, Chicken and rice are not the result of some sort of a "cultural efficiency" or ability to "monetize".  They are simple elements of geography.  People can't increase "cultural efficiency" and invent pigs nor conjure up rice farms because of a desire to monetize their environment.

Totally wrong.
Most archeologists see the lack of expansion of the Polynesian package as prove that there was not back and forth travel between the islands. Humans have never refuse the advantages of new domestic animals and agriculture.

Bottom line, if islanders see a pig or chicken, they adopt the pig or chicken.
Everywhere on earth packages are limited my geography and climate.
Since there are not climate differences in Polynesia, the lack of the package as they go farther out from the mainland suggest a one-way trip.

[Razgovory]

Totally wrong.
Most archeologists see the lack of expansion of the Polynesian package as prove that there was not back and forth travel between the islands. Humans have never refuse the advantages of new domestic animals and agriculture.

Bottom line, if islanders see a pig or chicken, they adopt the pig or chicken.
Everywhere on earth packages are limited my geography and climate.
Since there are not climate differences in Polynesia, the lack of the package as they go farther out from the mainland suggest a one-way trip.

Adopting pigs and chickens is one thing, raising them is another.  Why have you failed to adopt pigs?

[Eddie Teach]

Pigs and chickens aren't really suited to live everywhere, so people would have to spend resources making their environment habitable.