Erdogan: Muslims discovered America in 12th century

[Siege]

Totally wrong.
Most archeologists see the lack of expansion of the Polynesian package as prove that there was not back and forth travel between the islands. Humans have never refuse the advantages of new domestic animals and agriculture.

Bottom line, if islanders see a pig or chicken, they adopt the pig or chicken.
Everywhere on earth packages are limited my geography and climate.
Since there are not climate differences in Polynesia, the lack of the package as they go farther out from the mainland suggest a one-way trip.

Adopting pigs and chickens is one thing, raising them is another.  Why have you failed to adopt pigs?

Adopting and raising is the same fucking thing.
Jews did not adopt pigs because the Torah says so. It was an active order not to.
You cannot say the same from another religions.

Come on man, be constructive.
There is no point in discussing things whose answer you already know.

[Siege]

Pigs and chickens aren't really suited to live everywhere, so people would have to spend resources making their environment habitable.

Pigs, chicken, sheep, cows, can adapt to any terran environment short of open desert or deep tundra.
There is a reason why there are different types of domestic animals.
Environment would be your clue.

[The Minsky Moment]

Jews did not adopt pigs because the Torah says so.

Or perhaps the other way around. 

[Viking]

While Reza Aslan seems to be a Muslim Unitarian, Erdogan seems to be a Muslim Mormon.

[Siege]

Jews did not adopt pigs because the Torah says so.

Or perhaps the other way around. 

You really like to pock the lion.

[Razgovory]

Totally wrong.
Most archeologists see the lack of expansion of the Polynesian package as prove that there was not back and forth travel between the islands. Humans have never refuse the advantages of new domestic animals and agriculture.

Bottom line, if islanders see a pig or chicken, they adopt the pig or chicken.
Everywhere on earth packages are limited my geography and climate.
Since there are not climate differences in Polynesia, the lack of the package as they go farther out from the mainland suggest a one-way trip.

Adopting pigs and chickens is one thing, raising them is another.  Why have you failed to adopt pigs?

Adopting and raising is the same fucking thing.
Jews did not adopt pigs because the Torah says so. It was an active order not to.
You cannot say the same from another religions.

Come on man, be constructive.
There is no point in discussing things whose answer you already know.

Nope.  You have no idea what the religious taboos of these people were.  And raising animals is different then simply adopting them.  Take Elephants.  Elephants can be tamed but are not domesticated.  They must be captured in the wild.

[Siege]

Ok, im stupid.

[Valmy]

Well, the guys who showed up 10,000 years ago had an impact as well.

I don't understand this take.  Nobody has ever claimed that nobody was living over here when Columbus showed up, especially not Columbus.  Yet somehow this idea is supposed to blow all of our minds for some reason.

'Columbus didn't discover America!  There were people here!'

OMG there were?  No fucking shit.  But the definition of discover does not imply that you are the first person to ever find something.

[garbon]

Well, the guys who showed up 10,000 years ago had an impact as well.

I don't understand this take.  Nobody has ever claimed that nobody was living over here when Columbus showed up, especially not Columbus.  Yet somehow this idea is supposed to blow all of our minds for some reason.

'Columbus didn't discover America!  There were people here!'

OMG there were?  No fucking shit.  But the definition of discover does not imply that you are the first person to ever find something.

What are you going on about?

[Razgovory]

Well, the guys who showed up 10,000 years ago had an impact as well.

I don't understand this take.  Nobody has ever claimed that nobody was living over here when Columbus showed up, especially not Columbus.  Yet somehow this idea is supposed to blow all of our minds for some reason.

'Columbus didn't discover America!  There were people here!'

OMG there were?  No fucking shit.  But the definition of discover does not imply that you are the first person to ever find something.

This was a rebuttal that that Columbus was the first explorer to actually use the land and try to profit from it, which is not true since the people who showed up in the neolithic were trying to use the land to the best of their abilities.

[Viking]

Well, the guys who showed up 10,000 years ago had an impact as well.

I don't understand this take.  Nobody has ever claimed that nobody was living over here when Columbus showed up, especially not Columbus.  Yet somehow this idea is supposed to blow all of our minds for some reason.

'Columbus didn't discover America!  There were people here!'

OMG there were?  No fucking shit.  But the definition of discover does not imply that you are the first person to ever find something.

This was a rebuttal that that Columbus was the first explorer to actually use the land and try to profit from it, which is not true since the people who showed up in the neolithic were trying to use the land to the best of their abilities.

So, eh, those damn injuns and their imperialism?

[Razgovory]

So, eh, those damn injuns and their imperialism?

I made no statement of the morality of their act, though there aren't any Mammoths here anymore.

[Martinus]

Well, the guys who showed up 10,000 years ago had an impact as well.

I don't understand this take.  Nobody has ever claimed that nobody was living over here when Columbus showed up, especially not Columbus.  Yet somehow this idea is supposed to blow all of our minds for some reason.

'Columbus didn't discover America!  There were people here!'

OMG there were?  No fucking shit.  But the definition of discover does not imply that you are the first person to ever find something.

This was a rebuttal that that Columbus was the first explorer to actually use the land and try to profit from it, which is not true since the people who showed up in the neolithic were trying to use the land to the best of their abilities.

There is an implied requirement that, while doing so, you are maintaining a working connection with your place of origin.

In order to be a colony, you need to still have a metropolis. Otherwise, you are simply a ship wreck.

[Viking]

So, eh, those damn injuns and their imperialism?

I made no statement of the morality of their act, though there aren't any Mammoths here anymore.

So, if only the Europeans had actually genocided the indians properly then there wouldn't be any indians protesting on columbus day, just like there are no mammoths, short faced bears, giant slotsh, saber tooth cats, dire wolves, giant beavers, terror birds and woolly rhinos protesting Native American Heritage day this year?

[Sheilbh]

I did love the story in the Guardian about this that went through the various claimants. Aside from the Vikings it sounds like the only ones who may have actually got to the US were the Basques and Bristolians. The Basques went because they found there was so much cod. The Bristolians also went for the cod after discovering the Basques were salting cod before returning to Europe which could only be done online.

They tell the story of a very early explorer of America sailing round an undiscovered cape only to find a small flotilla of Basque fishermen in the bay