Soldier shot at National War Memorial in Ottawa

[Tamas]

I was just thinking about the whole "western idiots join ISIS ranks". Truly, it seems to be almost limited to people with ethnic ties to Muslim people, but otherwise I think it is no different than, say, the Anarchists we had earlier.

What makes someone ethnically Muslim?

What I meant (as if you don't know) that ethnic links to nationalities whose homeland is predominantly Muslim.

And BTW I can understand that. If you are feeling disattached to the mainstream society (you don't have to be a muslim teenager to feel like that), you try finding one that you can attach yourself to. That has to be easier when there are pre-existing links. And radicals can exploit that.

I think most of the kids going to Syria for ISIS are just hormone-clouded idiots. Still they go to fight on the opposite side than their home country, so never letting them back in seems reasonable.

[Grey Fox]

I was just thinking about the whole "western idiots join ISIS ranks". Truly, it seems to be almost limited to people with ethnic ties to Muslim people, but otherwise I think it is no different than, say, the Anarchists we had earlier.

What makes someone ethnically Muslim?

Arabs.

[Legbiter]

Vickers gets a standing ovation

http://globalnews.ca/video/1631103/emotional-standing-ovation-for-sergeant-at-arms-kevin-vickers-as-house-returns-to-work

[crazy canuck]

I was just thinking about the whole "western idiots join ISIS ranks". Truly, it seems to be almost limited to people with ethnic ties to Muslim people, but otherwise I think it is no different than, say, the Anarchists we had earlier.

What makes someone ethnically Muslim?

What I meant (as if you don't know) that ethnic links to nationalities whose homeland is predominantly Muslim.

Ah, like the white kid in Quebec who killed the soldier. 

[Tamas]

I was just thinking about the whole "western idiots join ISIS ranks". Truly, it seems to be almost limited to people with ethnic ties to Muslim people, but otherwise I think it is no different than, say, the Anarchists we had earlier.

What makes someone ethnically Muslim?

What I meant (as if you don't know) that ethnic links to nationalities whose homeland is predominantly Muslim.

Ah, like the white kid in Quebec who killed the soldier. 

No. Like the shooter in Parliament whose father was Libyan. Or the UK ISIS fighters. etc.

[Tamas]

BTW. In Hungary, a considerable portion of the politically active far-right (ie. Hungarian nationalists, or, radical youth) consist of people who are at max a couple of generations away from one or both parents being part of a non-Hungarian nationality (usually this means German or one of the Slavic nationalities)

In that light it might be a bit odd that these radical youths in Britain for example choose to violently (by joining ISIS or radicalising via Islam) disown the majority society, instead of overcompensating in proving their loyalty to it.

[frunk]

BTW. In Hungary, a considerable portion of the politically active far-right (ie. Hungarian nationalists, or, radical youth) consist of people who are at max a couple of generations away from one or both parents being part of a non-Hungarian nationality (usually this means German or one of the Slavic nationalities)

In that light it might be a bit odd that these radical youths in Britain for example choose to violently (by joining ISIS or radicalising via Islam) disown the majority society, instead of overcompensating in proving their loyalty to it.

It's a desire to develop a strong sense of identity when living somewhere where it isn't cut and dried that they belong.  It can jump one way or another (or even change over time for the individual), but what's important for the person is to feel that strong connection with something.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Yep. There's a reason they're buying Islam for Dummies before getting on a plane to Syria. I always think there's a lot to the view in Four Lions. Contra Grallon it's the guys in beards and shalwar kameezes that you shouldn't worry about.

These guys in beards don't have any role in radicalizing the converts?

They are buying islam for dummies since all they know is what the guys with beards dressed in bedsheets tell them. Unfortunately for the world that is kill/murder/rape as they are instructed to do in the koran and as the prophet did as the example they are to follow.

getting rid of the political correctness nonsense takes a while

Yeah keep dreaming if you think most of us will succumb to your bigotry.

the classic political correct answer. Refusing to accept what the problem is when it's kicking you in the shins, just because the origin of the issue is a religion/ideology.

As an aside:
it's not bigotry to say that the perps and ISIS-scum base their actions on the core handbook of islam.
neither is it bigotry to say that a number of members in the anti-ISIS-coalition basically have the same goal as ISIS, but differ only in the means to achieve that goal. Same goes for a lot of muslims. If they believe in their religion they all want that their religion/ideology to achieve world-domination. They just differ in the means (just like Stalin and Trotsky differed in the means to achieve the communist ideal).
There is no bigotry in stating that their so-called prophet committed numerous atrocities and adapted his 'revelation' to suit him committing these atrocities, thus presenting a nice religious dispensation for his followers (both early and later) to commit more atrocities. The difference between "what would Jesus do" and "what would mohammed do" is quite clear.

And given all that wanting to get rid of the religion/ideology that is islam is no more bigotted than wanting to get rid of fascism, national-socialism, communism or any other ideology that's willing to build it's utopia on the corpses of the millions that do not want to submit.

[KRonn]

Vickers gets a standing ovation

http://globalnews.ca/video/1631103/emotional-standing-ovation-for-sergeant-at-arms-kevin-vickers-as-house-returns-to-work

Well deserved!

[Malthus]

Yep. There's a reason they're buying Islam for Dummies before getting on a plane to Syria. I always think there's a lot to the view in Four Lions. Contra Grallon it's the guys in beards and shalwar kameezes that you shouldn't worry about.

These guys in beards don't have any role in radicalizing the converts?

They are buying islam for dummies since all they know is what the guys with beards dressed in bedsheets tell them. Unfortunately for the world that is kill/murder/rape as they are instructed to do in the koran and as the prophet did as the example they are to follow.

getting rid of the political correctness nonsense takes a while

Yeah keep dreaming if you think most of us will succumb to your bigotry.

the classic political correct answer. Refusing to accept what the problem is when it's kicking you in the shins, just because the origin of the issue is a religion/ideology.

As an aside:
it's not bigotry to say that the perps and ISIS-scum base their actions on the core handbook of islam.
neither is it bigotry to say that a number of members in the anti-ISIS-coalition basically have the same goal as ISIS, but differ only in the means to achieve that goal. Same goes for a lot of muslims. If they believe in their religion they all want that their religion/ideology to achieve world-domination. They just differ in the means (just like Stalin and Trotsky differed in the means to achieve the communist ideal).
There is no bigotry in stating that their so-called prophet committed numerous atrocities and adapted his 'revelation' to suit him committing these atrocities, thus presenting a nice religious dispensation for his followers (both early and later) to commit more atrocities. The difference between "what would Jesus do" and "what would mohammed do" is quite clear.

And given all that wanting to get rid of the religion/ideology that is islam is no more bigotted than wanting to get rid of fascism, national-socialism, communism or any other ideology that's willing to build it's utopia on the corpses of the millions that do not want to submit.

The problem here is conflation. Not all Muslims are ISIS-inspired maniacs, and treatung them as if they were is likely to get more young dudes to think ISIS has a point.

The gunman our Sergeant-at -Arms shot may have been a "Muslim", but so were these guys, who presented the same Sergeant-at-arms with an award:

ASSOCIATION OF PROGRESSIVE MUSLIMS OF CANADA [2009] - This year, the Association honoured Mr. Kevin Vickers, Sergeant-at-Arms, House of Commons.  He was recognized for his "long outstanding  service to our country" and for his "efforts to promote bias-free policing and diversity in the workplace".

We want to encourage Muslims who live here to think of themselves as "us, but with a different religion", and discourage those - whether Muslims or not - who would divide us into "us" versus "them".



http://www.apmo786.org/ph_2009.htm

[crazy canuck]

There is no bigotry in stating that their so-called prophet committed numerous atrocities and adapted his 'revelation' to suit him committing these atrocities, thus presenting a nice religious dispensation for his followers (both early and later) to commit more atrocities. The difference between "what would Jesus do" and "what would mohammed do" is quite clear.

Too bad all the Christians who have committed atrocities in the name of their religion didn't understand "what Jesus would do" as clearly as you seem to think.  Also it is difficult to explain all the peaceful Muslims if "what Mohammad would do" is as clear as you think.



Deus Vult and all that 

[viper37]

And I'll be here waiting, to rub it in your collective faces.

No, you won't.  If they win and we are wrong, you'll be among the first against the wall.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

There is no bigotry in stating that their so-called prophet committed numerous atrocities and adapted his 'revelation' to suit him committing these atrocities, thus presenting a nice religious dispensation for his followers (both early and later) to commit more atrocities. The difference between "what would Jesus do" and "what would mohammed do" is quite clear.

Too bad all the Christians who have committed atrocities in the name of their religion didn't understand "what Jesus would do" as clearly as you seem to think.  Also it is difficult to explain all the peaceful Muslims if "what Mohammad would do" is as clear as you think.



Deus Vult and all that 

ah yes, the old "the christians did it too" trope. Also a favourite of the po-co brigade brigade. Wether or not Christians did this isn't relevant to the fact that there's far too many muslims doing the same.
"what Mohammad would do" is as clear as you think." -> it's clear enough. That many muslims have the decency not to do it speaks in their favour, but it doesn't make them better muslims, more the opposite. Regardless, they may be the majority

[viper37]

I was just thinking about the whole "western idiots join ISIS ranks". Truly, it seems to be almost limited to people with ethnic ties to Muslim people, but otherwise I think it is no different than, say, the Anarchists we had earlier.

What makes someone ethnically Muslim?

What I meant (as if you don't know) that ethnic links to nationalities whose homeland is predominantly Muslim.

Ah, like the white kid in Quebec who killed the soldier. 

No. Like the shooter in Parliament whose father was Libyan. Or the UK ISIS fighters. etc.

This is one of those ethnically muslim killer.  He ran over 3 soldiers on Monday, killing one, injuring another.  A recent convert to Islam too.

[Grallon]

No, you won't.  If they win and we are wrong, you'll be among the first against the wall.

And you people wonder why I abhor them!

But then again you'll all change your tune when one of these mongrels nuke a city in Israel or somewhere in the West.



G.