Dispatches from the State Ministry of Truth

[Monoriu]

Those are largely victimless crimes.

What do you consider to be victimless crimes?

Gambling, prostitution, counterfeiting goods etc.

As long as you don't block a road, you are good in Mono's book.

The triads number in the 6 figures in HK.  It is impossible to arrest everybody.  The police's strategy to deal with triads is one of containment.  No guns, no drugs, no violent crimes.  Restrict yourselves to victimless crimes.  It isn't ideal but there you are.

Blocking roads is hardly a victimless crime. 

[Monoriu]

you horrible little man.

I am obese 

[celedhring]

Everything I know from HK's criminal underworld I learnt it from 90s movies and playing Sleeping Dogs.

Anyway, I wouldn't call prostitution a victimless crime. Counterfeiting either, although people don't get too worked up about that.

Gambling is a blight for many people; that also applies to legalized gambling, but that one at least can be acted upon.

[The Brain]

Anyway, I wouldn't call prostitution a victimless crime.

[Monoriu]

Everything I know from HK's criminal underworld I learnt it from 90s movies and playing Sleeping Dogs.

Anyway, I wouldn't call prostitution a victimless crime. Counterfeiting either, although people don't get too worked up about that.

Gambling is a blight for many people; that also applies to legalized gambling, but that one at least can be acted upon.

As I said, the ideal world would be one where the triads don't exist.  But since that goal isn't really doable, we'll have to settle for something less. 

[Eddie Teach]

I am obese 

Round and 5 ft tall = little

[Monoriu]

I am obese 

Round and 5 ft tall = little

[DontSayBanana]

Those are largely victimless crimes.  And CD/DVD stuff are outside police.  Copyright infringement is Customs 

You think affecting businesses is more of a victimized crime than human trafficking (and we've been pretty liberal about sticking to allegations of prostitution, as opposed to other forms of human trafficking), so by your own definition, since counterfeiting hurts businesses, isn't counterfeiting not a victimless crime?

Also, it's hilarious that you went from "the protesters are seeing Triads where there are none" a page or two ago to "well, it's Mong Kok, so Triads are par for the course."

Here's a supposition for you: CCP considers Hong Kong kind of an experimental deal to see how well they can deal with emboldened masses.  It doesn't take a huge leap of logic to guess that CCP's going to decide that the status quo has emboldened HK citizens too much and issue a crackdown on personal freedoms.  Enjoy the bed you've made.

[Eddie Teach]

Here's a supposition for you: CCP considers Hong Kong kind of an experimental deal to see how well they can deal with emboldened masses.  It doesn't take a huge leap of logic to guess that CCP's going to decide that the status quo has emboldened HK citizens too much and issue a crackdown on personal freedoms.  Enjoy the bed you've made.

From that light, Mono's frustration with the protesters would make sense. It's not like they have a chance of winning.

[Monoriu]

Here's a supposition for you: CCP considers Hong Kong kind of an experimental deal to see how well they can deal with emboldened masses.  It doesn't take a huge leap of logic to guess that CCP's going to decide that the status quo has emboldened HK citizens too much and issue a crackdown on personal freedoms.  Enjoy the bed you've made.

From that light, Mono's frustration with the protesters would make sense. It's not like they have a chance of winning.

Social unrest = invitation for Beijing to intervene. 

Also, from what I've read in the newspapers, most prostitutes in HK are from the mainland to make quick money.  Don't understand why it necessarily has anything to do with human trafficking. 

[Valmy]

It is Mong Kok, Hong Kong's red light district.  Full of bars, brothels, Mah Jong gambling places (i.e. mini-casinos), CD/DVD shops.  The folks who operate those are triads.  You block the roads, you cut off their business.  Of course they are pissed.

So we went from: 'Lies this is not about Triad!' to 'Well of course Triad is involved, their poor illegal activities being victimized by the riotous rioters'

Wait you have to go to Brothels and Casinos to buy CD/DVDs?  Woah.

[DGuller]

Here's a supposition for you: CCP considers Hong Kong kind of an experimental deal to see how well they can deal with emboldened masses.  It doesn't take a huge leap of logic to guess that CCP's going to decide that the status quo has emboldened HK citizens too much and issue a crackdown on personal freedoms.  Enjoy the bed you've made.

From that light, Mono's frustration with the protesters would make sense. It's not like they have a chance of winning.

If that were all there is to it, maybe.  But to me it seems like a much bigger component is his "let them eat cake" attitude towards the protesters.  Somehow he managed to snag a civil service job, and now he's suddenly superior to all the rabble on the outside of the winner-takes-all system.

[Valmy]

I don't think that is true I think Mono is concerned that the protestors are damaging the future of Hong Kong so he is reacting emotionally.

In any case a protest in China either has to topple the regime or be unsuccessful.  The logic of how the CCP operates really has no middle ground it seems to me.  Beijing was never going to compromise, or it would embolden other areas of the country with far more serious issues and complaints than Hong Kong's.

[CountDeMoney]

Those are largely victimless crimes.  And CD/DVD stuff are outside police.  Copyright infringement is Customs 

Fuck you, you fucking hack.

[Monoriu]

Here's a supposition for you: CCP considers Hong Kong kind of an experimental deal to see how well they can deal with emboldened masses.  It doesn't take a huge leap of logic to guess that CCP's going to decide that the status quo has emboldened HK citizens too much and issue a crackdown on personal freedoms.  Enjoy the bed you've made.

From that light, Mono's frustration with the protesters would make sense. It's not like they have a chance of winning.

If that were all there is to it, maybe.  But to me it seems like a much bigger component is his "let them eat cake" attitude towards the protesters.  Somehow he managed to snag a civil service job, and now he's suddenly superior to all the rabble on the outside of the winner-takes-all system.

The finance guys in the investment banks are the real winners.  As I have been saying all these years, I am a loser.