The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

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Valmy

#1500
March 12, 2015, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2015, 10:58:06 AM
In one of the videos where the cops get shot, you can hear some voices taunting the cops and they are clearly nerdy white voices.

You got a problem with nerdy white voices?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

#1501
March 12, 2015, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2015, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2015, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 12, 2015, 06:16:57 AM
Wow, as if things weren't bad enough in that town.

Wonder if this is what Holder wanted.

Lulz, stop reading directly from the cue cards, derFoxandfriends.  :P

'Fox & Friends' tweet links Eric Holder, shootings of police in Ferguson



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Valmy

#1502
March 12, 2015, 01:38:18 PM
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

MadImmortalMan

#1503
March 12, 2015, 01:55:33 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 12, 2015, 11:00:17 AM

Most municipalities in Missouri are guilty of this.  There is a cap on how much revenue a city can get from traffic fines, and Ferguson didn't break that cap.  There is a bill in the General assembly that will lower the cap.  Urban and Suburban communities can only get 10% of their money from fines but small towns can get 15%. :rolleyes:  I think the current cap is 30%.  That law was created because of the notorious town of Macks Creek, which got most of it's funding from speeding tickets.  Two years after the law passed capping how much money a town can get from fines Macks Creek went bankrupt and dissolved.  So while stopping this practice seems like an easy solution, it can have negative consequences.

Why not cut to the chase and just disband the towns? It should be easy to find out which ones have an inordinately high percentage and wack them. Unless there's something in the state constitution stopping it.
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Razgovory

#1504
March 12, 2015, 02:19:16 PM
Most people like their traffic lights to work.  You can get the already overburden county government to provide services but you might have to wait an hour for the fire department to show up or for the them to get enough county deputies to escort an ambulance to your house.  It's a sure fire way of getting your home value to fall like a rock (thought that has already happened in Ferguson).
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#1505
March 12, 2015, 02:23:18 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 12, 2015, 11:39:40 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 11, 2015, 06:21:31 AM
They don't have much choice.  People want police protection but are unwilling to pay for it.  Municipality needs to generate revenue somehow.

Sure they do.  They can cut unnecessary crap from their budget.  Dallas manages to have a $2.2B budget, with $736M for "public safety", while collecting only $36M in fines from all sources.

If a municipality really cannot survive without a massive influx of fine revenue, it doesn't deserve to exist.

Dallas is a fairly large city with a large tax base.  Ferguson is not.  Also what is the cap that the a Texas city can get from speeding tickets?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

#1506
March 12, 2015, 02:24:21 PM
How do you tell if a particular white voice is nerdy or not?
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derspiess

#1507
March 12, 2015, 02:24:46 PM
In Ferguson's case, just have the city annex it and it would be just like other neighborhoods.  They don't seem to have the tax base to run a solvent city government without onerous fines and the police department seems to be problematic to say the least.  What is so special about that little enclave that it needs to remain a separate city?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Razgovory

#1508
March 12, 2015, 02:27:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2015, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2015, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 12, 2015, 06:16:57 AM
Wow, as if things weren't bad enough in that town.

Wonder if this is what Holder wanted.

Lulz, stop reading directly from the cue cards, derFoxandfriends.  :P

'Fox & Friends' tweet links Eric Holder, shootings of police in Ferguson

I wonder if it was Fox New's intention to see police officers killed after people interested in the Clive Bundy story they kept highlighting went on a rampage.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#1509
March 12, 2015, 02:29:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2015, 02:24:46 PM
In Ferguson's case, just have the city annex it and it would be just like other neighborhoods.  They don't seem to have the tax base to run a solvent city government without onerous fines and the police department seems to be problematic to say the least.  What is so special about that little enclave that it needs to remain a separate city?

I don't think they can legally do that.  St. Louis doesn't exist in a county.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Martinus

#1510
March 12, 2015, 02:48:09 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 08:21:33 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 12, 2015, 08:11:42 AM
Well, if you choose to be a part of an evil "elite" bent on oppressing the masses, you should be prepared to face the wrath of the people.

You, of all people, should cheer on this.  :frog:

Nah this kind of thing always leads to a Thermidorian Reaction.  The principles of those calling for oversight and reform of the police will be blamed for this by counter-revolutionary forces.

As with most things, it's not the destination that counts, it's the journey. You may end up with a reactionary dictatorship, but you can guillotine a bunch of derspiesses on the way.  :cool:

derspiess

#1511
March 12, 2015, 02:48:17 PM
What does that have to do with St. Louis annexing Ferguson.  Assuming both parties agree, of course.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Valmy

#1512
March 12, 2015, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 12, 2015, 02:48:09 PM
As with most things, it's not the destination that counts, it's the journey. You may end up with a reactionary dictatorship, but you can guillotine a bunch of derspiesses on the way.  :cool:

Somehow I don't think the Jacobins were feeling that way in 1795 :P
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Martinus

#1513
March 12, 2015, 03:02:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 12, 2015, 02:48:09 PM
As with most things, it's not the destination that counts, it's the journey. You may end up with a reactionary dictatorship, but you can guillotine a bunch of derspiesses on the way.  :cool:

Somehow I don't think the Jacobins were feeling that way in 1795 :P

Well, yes, but it's the outcome that comes.

That being said, if I sat on a revolutionary tribunal, I would probably end up like de Sade - locked up because I would keep acquitting people. :P

Eddie Teach

#1514
March 12, 2015, 03:06:10 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 12, 2015, 02:48:09 PM
As with most things, it's not the destination that counts, it's the journey. You may end up with a reactionary dictatorship, but you can guillotine a bunch of derspiesses on the way.  :cool:

There are more obvious targets, like yourself, Minsky, Lemonjello, Malthus, Caliga and Mono. :contract:
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