Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[mongers]

You have to admire Zelensky for his honesty, at the press conference in Kyiv, so far:

If you're just joining us now, welcome. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky spoke to press in Kyiv a short while ago - here are the keys lines from his speech.

    Us President Donald Trump is "living in a disinformation space" fuelled by Russia, he said, following the US leader's comments about his approval rating

    Zelensky said he couldn't "sell the state" after rejecting the first draft of a rare earth minerals agreement with the US, saying it made no mention of the security guarantees Ukraine sought and demanded 50% of its minerals

    The cost of the war in Ukraine so far is $320bn Kyiv says, with $120bn paid for by Ukraine and the rest coming from the US and Europe - numbers the US disputes
    Zelensky also said he was "ready to go to the front line" with US envoy Keith Kellogg, so he could "see for himself" what was happening

Kellogg seems to be as nutty as his famous namesake, making this daft claim:

At a news conference a short while ago, Zelensky said it was "very important for me that he himself [Kellogg] walks on Kyiv streets, other cities" to see the real situation to dispel disinformation being spread by Russia.

Zelensky said that Kellogg "earlier said that 20-30% of the capital was gone, everything ruined".

"I want him to see everything for himself," said the Ukrainian president, "and then talk to people about whether they trust their president, whether they trust Putin. Let him ask them about Trump: what they think after comments made by the president".

He added that he is "ready to go to the front line" with Kellogg, so he would be able to talk to Ukrainian military personnel.

[Syt]

[mongers]

There was none of the subtly of Newspeak, but tens of millions of Americans and other Westerners will take that as gospel; are they even aware of their own doublethink or has MAGA now become a religion?

[DGuller]

Really bad sign that Zelensky abandoned the dick-sucking strategy, not that we needed more of them.

[mongers]

Really bad sign that Zelensky abandoned the dick-sucking strategy, not that we needed more of them.

If you're going to be thrown under the bus (Russia) anyway, why not spill out all of the nails you have in your pockets?

[PJL]

At this point WW3 would be preferable to what we're seeing unfold at the moment.

[Syt]

When is that asteroid passing earth? It seems the odds of impact keep going up every time they check (though it's still under 5%, I think)?

[HVC]

At this point WW3 would be preferable to what we're seeing unfold at the moment.

Only if you assume that america would fight on the side of the west rather than  against it.

[PJL]

At this point WW3 would be preferable to what we're seeing unfold at the moment.

Only if you assume that america would fight on the side of the west rather than  against it.

I'm not assuming that at all. I don't care how it happens. Better dead than smeg.

[Gups]

Of all the disgusting things Trump has done, this has pissed me off more than any other. I was reluctantly accepting of the need of the UK/Europe not to piss him off too much but feels like he just thrives on being a bully and we just have to stand up to him.

[Valmy]

Build a European Army and station it in Ukraine. Build a nuclear arsenal.

[Sheilbh]

Really bad sign that Zelensky abandoned the dick-sucking strategy, not that we needed more of them.

Yeah I agree.

[Valmy]

Really bad sign that Zelensky abandoned the dick-sucking strategy, not that we needed more of them.

Yeah I agree.

Well it was failing.

The rest of you Europeans take note. Trump and his followers do not respect you. No amount of kissing up to him is going to do any good, well unless your government happens to be a right wing strongman.

[Threviel]

Zelensky had already lost since the Americans look up to Putin as a strongman, his hope is to get the European nations om his side. Kissing up to the Americans will only piss off them.

[HVC]

Hasn't Zelensky been pretty acerbic thoughout? Or was he "nicer" with the US?