The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant Megathread

[Valmy]

If you always do what the people want, you end up as Greece.

Only if your people are Greeks.

[Valmy]

Sometimes you gotta lead.  It's one thing to care about opinion polls, but Clinton often seemed to govern by them.

Eh I thought this was just an excuse to still attack Clinton even when Conservatives liked his polices. 'Sure he reformed welfare and signed those free trade deals but OMG THE LACK OF LEADERSHIP'

[Queequeg]

If you always do what the people want, you end up as Greece.

Only if your people are Greeks.

IDK what that's supposed to mean.

[derspiess]

Sometimes you gotta lead.  It's one thing to care about opinion polls, but Clinton often seemed to govern by them.

Eh I thought this was just an excuse to still attack Clinton even when Conservatives liked his polices. 'Sure he reformed welfare and signed those free trade deals but OMG THE LACK OF LEADERSHIP'

I gave credit where he was due on both those issues.  I think it actually took a good deal of leadership to defy many in his own party.

[Valmy]

IDK what that's supposed to mean.

Greeks are lovely people that is all I am saying.

[crazy canuck]

If you always do what the people want, you end up as Greece.

Or, in the case of the US, a horrible hybrid of private and mandated health care.

[derspiess]

Given Obama's ludicrously bad management of the war I'd say we're already there. He clearly just wants to run out the clock and let his successor deal with it. Unless the Kurds are threatened he's content to got through the motions. And it's going to totally destroy his legacy when Syria is completely overrun by Jihadists within the next few months. Damscus and Homs are going to fall to ISIS, while Aleppo could fall to them or al-Nusra. The middle east is likely to dissolve into regional sectarian war before he leaves office.

Doubtful.  Obama has made the US the world's most respected nation on earth, so he'll always have that for his legacy.

[Valmy]

I gave credit where he was due on both those issues.  I think it actually took a good deal of leadership to defy many in his own party.

Well I wish I had had you around to back me up back then because I was literally screamed at multiple times for even hinting that maybe Bill Clinton was not the worst human being in world history.

[Admiral Yi]

Bill Clinton was the one of the best Republican presidents ever.

[derspiess]

Well I wish I had had you around to back me up back then because I was literally screamed at multiple times for even hinting that maybe Bill Clinton was not the worst human being in world history.

He was a dirtbag in a lot of ways.  But just like with Obama these days, I welcomed any common ground that happened to appear between us. 

[Caliga]

Bill had good taste in women.  Well, later in life that is.

[Admiral Yi]

Jesus.

That Flowers chick is the only one coming in at less than 12 beers.

[Eddie Teach]

Well I wish I had had you around to back me up back then because I was literally screamed at multiple times for even hinting that maybe Bill Clinton was not the worst human being in world history.

He was a liar and possibly a rapist, but at least he was politically moderate. 

[Caliga]

Jesus.

That Flowers chick is the only one coming in at less than 12 beers.

Monica is underrated.  I mean, those tits

[Valmy]

Well I wish I had had you around to back me up back then because I was literally screamed at multiple times for even hinting that maybe Bill Clinton was not the worst human being in world history.

He was a liar and possibly a rapist, but at least he was politically moderate. 

'On ne peut point regner innocement'

One cannot reign innocently.

Now don't get me wrong I hated the man personally. I just found it interesting I could never even get them to concede a few of things he had done were not so bad.