The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant Megathread

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Admiral Yi

#165
June 12, 2014, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 12, 2014, 07:25:01 PM
No, but the US bombed and invaded the country and left before the reconstruction job was fully done.

Recent events in the Arab world demonstrate that reconstruction, in the sense of people not killing those they disagree with, is a 100 year project.  We left them with the ability to choose for themselves what type of government they want.  They chose poorly.

Valmy

#166
June 12, 2014, 07:36:57 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 12, 2014, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2014, 07:17:52 PM
Obama is not the world's policeman.
No, but the US bombed and invaded the country and left before the reconstruction job was fully done.

We left when the elected government of Iraq requested we leave.  What were we supposed to say 'NO PUPPETS YOU BELONG TO US'?  That would have helped the reconstruction project along :P
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Razgovory

#167
June 12, 2014, 07:38:48 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 12, 2014, 07:17:52 PM
Obama is not the world's policeman.

Good thing too.  Derspeiss would have shot him by now.
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mongers

#168
June 12, 2014, 07:38:58 PM
Am I hearing the sound of frantic hand-washing ?
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Admiral Yi

#169
June 12, 2014, 07:39:39 PM
Not in my opinion.  In yours probably yes.

mongers

#170
June 12, 2014, 07:42:29 PM
You know, I'd rather like to hear Seigy's opinion on what's happening there, as someone who invested time, effort and blood over there. 

"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

jimmy olsen

#171
June 12, 2014, 08:35:20 PM
Wiki's map of this situation. I wonder what that little enclave to the east is supposed to be?
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CountDeMoney

#172
June 12, 2014, 08:43:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2014, 07:36:57 PM
We left when the elected government of Iraq requested we leave.  What were we supposed to say 'NO PUPPETS YOU BELONG TO US'?  That would have helped the reconstruction project along :P

We should've left another Saddam Hussein in charge, our Saddam Hussein.  There were plenty of Sunni generals to choose from, but nooooo....

derspiess

#173
June 12, 2014, 09:00:54 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 12, 2014, 08:43:14 PM
We should've left another Saddam Hussein in charge, our Saddam Hussein.  There were plenty of Sunni generals to choose from, but nooooo....

I've been saying that since before we invaded.
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derspiess

#174
June 12, 2014, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 12, 2014, 08:35:20 PM
Wiki's map of this situation. I wonder what that little enclave to the east is supposed to be?

Kinda looks like a penis.
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mongers

#175
June 12, 2014, 09:33:30 PM
apropos of the US efforts to halt the 1972 NVA invasion, they flew over 15,000 sorties. :whistle:
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Queequeg

#176
June 12, 2014, 09:43:35 PM
Am I wrong Sheilbh or does this kind of make sense in a way the Syrian-Iraqi border never did? It's over the traditional trade and pilgrimage routes and the Euphrates. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
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alfred russel

#177
June 12, 2014, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on June 12, 2014, 11:11:34 AM


:lol:

I've a soft spot for them, they're the only players in Iraq who've made a decent go of it.

Don't give all your affection to the Kurds just yet. Another group may also make a run at success; recently the ISIS has been enjoying positive results.
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Queequeg

#178
June 12, 2014, 10:00:21 PM
Kurds are way less religious than any other Muslim Mid-Eastern ethnicity.  Keep in mind the insurgency in Eastern Turkey is Marxist.  They sell Melek Taus amulets and balloons, the Satan-y Peacock Angels the Kurdish Yazidi worship, in little markets all across the ethnic Kurdish areas of Turkey and Syria.  You bring one of those to Saudi Arabia and you might be brought up on blasphemy charges.  ISIL murder suspected Yazidis on sight. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

derspiess

#179
June 12, 2014, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: mongers on June 12, 2014, 09:33:30 PM
apropos of the US efforts to halt the 1972 NVA invasion, they flew over 15,000 sorties. :whistle:

And?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall
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