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Started by mongers, May 31, 2014, 06:15:35 PM

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derspiess

Quote from: Viking on June 03, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
That's not reasoning, thats confirmation bias. The Vietnamese did at some point stop behaving like uncivilized scum. The North Korens still do.

I was gonna put reasoning in quotes but felt too lazy.
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Viking

Quote from: derspiess on June 03, 2014, 10:26:39 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 03, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
That's not reasoning, thats confirmation bias. The Vietnamese did at some point stop behaving like uncivilized scum. The North Korens still do.

I was gonna put reasoning in quotes but felt too lazy.

to be blunt all reasioning is ultimately rationalisation. People rarely go against their gut feelings.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

derspiess

Susan Rice said on ABC that this Bergdahl dude served with honor & distinction.  She is truly an asset to this administration.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on June 03, 2014, 11:11:52 AM
Susan Rice said on ABC that this Bergdahl dude served with honor & distinction.  She is truly an asset to this administration.

She did not say what sort of honor and distinction.  He certainly distinguished himself in the service.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."


Valmy

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Admiral Yi

Learned some interesting factoids from an NPR story about the swap.

As part of the same bill that forbade the administration from moving the Gitmo prisoners to US soil, Congress required the president to inform them 30 days prior to a release of any Gitmo prisoners.  He appears not to have done this.

Obama issued a signing statement when he signed that bill, in which he basically said fuck you to the 30 day thing.

He has issued 30 signing statement so far.  Double standard much? The NYT, among other stalwarts of the left, branded Bush's signing statement unconstitutional and criminal, but not a peep about Obama's.

Valmy

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 03, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Double standard much? The NYT, among other stalwarts of the left, branded Bush's signing statement unconstitutional and criminal, but not a peep about Obama's.

Um the leftists are teaming up with the libertarian rightists to fight this stuff.  But maybe I am not sure what is a 'stalwart of the left'.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 03, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Learned some interesting factoids from an NPR story about the swap.

As part of the same bill that forbade the administration from moving the Gitmo prisoners to US soil, Congress required the president to inform them 30 days prior to a release of any Gitmo prisoners.  He appears not to have done this.

Obama issued a signing statement when he signed that bill, in which he basically said fuck you to the 30 day thing.

He has issued 30 signing statement so far.  Double standard much? The NYT, among other stalwarts of the left, branded Bush's signing statement unconstitutional and criminal, but not a peep about Obama's.

To be fair, that's a smaller number than Bush's signing statements.  Though I don't know how they compare on % of signed bills. 
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on June 03, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
To be fair, that's a smaller number than Bush's signing statements.  Though I don't know how they compare on % of signed bills. 

Still Obama has basically established everything Bush did that was of questionable constitutionality.  You know, exactly the opposite of what he promised to do.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

grumbler

Quote from: Valmy on June 03, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 03, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
To be fair, that's a smaller number than Bush's signing statements.  Though I don't know how they compare on % of signed bills. 

Still Obama has basically established everything Bush did that was of questionable constitutionality.  You know, exactly the opposite of what he promised to do.
I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean.  What does "established everything Bush did that was of questionable constitutionality" mean when translated into English?
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Valmy

Quote from: grumbler on June 03, 2014, 04:34:24 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 03, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 03, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
To be fair, that's a smaller number than Bush's signing statements.  Though I don't know how they compare on % of signed bills. 

Still Obama has basically established everything Bush did that was of questionable constitutionality.  You know, exactly the opposite of what he promised to do.
I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean.  What does "established everything Bush did that was of questionable constitutionality" mean when translated into English?

Do you care?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 03, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Learned some interesting factoids from an NPR story about the swap.

As part of the same bill that forbade the administration from moving the Gitmo prisoners to US soil, Congress required the president to inform them 30 days prior to a release of any Gitmo prisoners.  He appears not to have done this.

Obama issued a signing statement when he signed that bill, in which he basically said fuck you to the 30 day thing.

He has issued 30 signing statement so far.  Double standard much? The NYT, among other stalwarts of the left, branded Bush's signing statement unconstitutional and criminal, but not a peep about Obama's.

Presumably conservatives who defended Bush's signing statements will continue to defend Obama's.
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derspiess

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 03, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Learned some interesting factoids from an NPR story about the swap.

As part of the same bill that forbade the administration from moving the Gitmo prisoners to US soil, Congress required the president to inform them 30 days prior to a release of any Gitmo prisoners.  He appears not to have done this.

Obama issued a signing statement when he signed that bill, in which he basically said fuck you to the 30 day thing.

Did the NPR story quote anything recent about the Administration on this, or were they just coming up with an excuse for him on their own?

Because apparently the Administration apologized.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/208070-white-house-apologizes-to-senate-intelligence
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall