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Started by mongers, May 31, 2014, 06:15:35 PM

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Viking

#30
June 02, 2014, 09:24:54 AM
Six men dead trying to rescue him and 5 command rank officers are exchanged for one seargent?

had the taliban been a european army they would have been insulted by the insult in the exchange.
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First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
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A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Valmy

#31
June 02, 2014, 09:27:39 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 02, 2014, 09:24:54 AM
Six men dead trying to rescue him and 5 command rank officers are exchanged for one seargent?

had the taliban been a european army they would have been insulted by the insult in the exchange.

Yeah obviously it is not about him.  It is about not wanting to be seen to leave a POW there.  You should have seen the constant angst about all the POWs we supposedly left behind in Vietnam.  This exchange shows desperation by the admin not to repeat that, at least IMO.
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mongers

#32
June 02, 2014, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 02, 2014, 09:24:54 AM
Six men dead trying to rescue him and 5 command rank officers are exchanged for one seargent?

had the taliban been a european army they would have been insulted by the insult in the exchange.

I think you're missing the point that it's more than an exchange, those are senior commanders and officials/politicians in the last Taliban 'government', they're being release as a down payment or sign of 'goodwill'. I'd say the US wants to negotiate something that'll see Afghanistan project surviving for more than a couple of years.

An issue being the Afghans in Kabul aren't keen on talking with the Taliban, so maybe this is a measure of arm-twisting on the US's part ? :unsure:
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Valmy

#33
June 02, 2014, 09:33:50 AM
Considering how horrible the Taliban is at holding territory outside of their tribal lands I think the most cost effective path would be just to help the Afghans blow them away should be ever be stupid enough to leave them again.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

#34
June 02, 2014, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 02, 2014, 09:30:59 AM
An issue being the Afghans in Kabul aren't keen on talking with the Taliban, so maybe this is a measure of arm-twisting on the US's part ? :unsure:

Negotiating is seen as weakness in that part of the world.  If the government in Kabul were to start they might as well just shoot themselves and get it over with, as it would destroy whatever legitimacy they have.

For the Taliban this deal was a great victory over the US.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Viking

#35
June 02, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 02, 2014, 09:27:39 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 02, 2014, 09:24:54 AM
Six men dead trying to rescue him and 5 command rank officers are exchanged for one seargent?

had the taliban been a european army they would have been insulted by the insult in the exchange.

Yeah obviously it is not about him.  It is about not wanting to be seen to leave a POW there.  You should have seen the constant angst about all the POWs we supposedly left behind in Vietnam.  This exchange shows desperation by the admin not to repeat that, at least IMO.

Can you really think that any reasonable accommodation can be reached with kind of savages that won't release prisoners at the end of a war? Just look at north korea.

(also, were there actually any POW left in vietnam? I know there were lots of MIAs, but were there actually any POWS?)
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

The Brain

#36
June 02, 2014, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 02, 2014, 10:47:49 AM

(also, were there actually any POW left in vietnam? I know there were lots of MIAs, but were there actually any POWS?)

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#37
June 02, 2014, 11:06:47 AM
"Negotiating with the Taliban" sounds like it might be an Ed euphemism for taking a dump.
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#38
June 02, 2014, 12:41:59 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 02, 2014, 11:06:47 AM
"Negotiating with the Taliban" sounds like it might be an Ed euphemism for taking a dump.

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#39
June 02, 2014, 01:32:35 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 02, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
(also, were there actually any POW left in vietnam? I know there were lots of MIAs, but were there actually any POWS?)
I thought so.  Didn't Chuck Norris rescue them? :hmm:
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Viking

#40
June 02, 2014, 01:45:34 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 02, 2014, 01:32:35 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 02, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
(also, were there actually any POW left in vietnam? I know there were lots of MIAs, but were there actually any POWS?)
I thought so.  Didn't Chuck Norris rescue them? :hmm:

To the best of my knowledge there were none. Actual POWs were held in the DPRK. We can see the difference in dealing with the Vietnamese and the North Koreans.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Valmy

#41
June 02, 2014, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 02, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
(also, were there actually any POW left in vietnam? I know there were lots of MIAs, but were there actually any POWS?)

I do not really recall.  The Vietnam craziness is before my time, but when Clinton was trying to normalize relations with the Vietnamese in the 90s there was a big to do about POW/MIAs from twenty years earlier.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

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#42
June 02, 2014, 02:07:59 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 02, 2014, 01:45:34 PM
Actual POWs were held in the DPRK.

You're not talking about the Pueblo crew or the defectors, are you?

viper37

#43
June 02, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 02, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
(also, were there actually any POW left in vietnam? I know there were lots of MIAs, but were there actually any POWS?)

I'm thinking here, if there were any POWs left in Vietnam after the war, and the US didn't want to pay for them, or admit to any kind of war crimes in Vietnam (the theory usually used in movies like Norris&Rambo), then why keep them?  It costs money to keep a POW camp open, so why not liquidate them?
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#44
June 02, 2014, 03:20:14 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 02, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 02, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
(also, were there actually any POW left in vietnam? I know there were lots of MIAs, but were there actually any POWS?)

I'm thinking here, if there were any POWs left in Vietnam after the war, and the US didn't want to pay for them, or admit to any kind of war crimes in Vietnam (the theory usually used in movies like Norris&Rambo), then why keep them?  It costs money to keep a POW camp open, so why not liquidate them?

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