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Started by mongers, May 31, 2014, 06:15:35 PM

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on June 04, 2014, 11:04:22 AM
If it turns out that he was in fact a deserter, I think we could have pulled out quite easily leaving this guy behind.

That's a silly ass attitude, but typical.

He's still on the muster roll, so he's still subject to the UCMJ.  It will be dealt with accordingly, and in due time.

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 04, 2014, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 04, 2014, 11:04:22 AM
If it turns out that he was in fact a deserter, I think we could have pulled out quite easily leaving this guy behind.

That's a silly ass attitude, but typical.

He's still on the muster roll, so he's still subject to the UCMJ.  It will be dealt with accordingly, and in due time.

Or we could just tell the Taliban to cut his head off like they said they wanted to and save everyone time, effort (and apparently several lives).
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 04, 2014, 09:20:17 AM
And Chuck Hagel made his phone calls to the Hill.  Just because every moron rape-redefining Rep. Teabaggins (R- Teabag End) didn't get a personal phone call from That Uppity Negro is simply more bullshit bleating.  Even if he appeared before Congress, they'd interrupt him anyway.

Susan Rice apparently admits that they didn't notify within the required timeframe.  And we all know she's never wrong on anything, right??

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/world/asia/afghanistan-bergdahl-release/

Quote"It was determined that it was necessary and appropriate not to adhere to the 30-day notification requirement, because it would have potentially meant that the opportunity to get Sgt. Bergdahl would have been lost," she said.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Valmy

Obama (and to be fair most Presidents) will never deal with Congress more than he absolutely has to.  Good on them for calling him on this.

That is a separate issue though.

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on June 04, 2014, 11:19:53 AM
Or we could just tell the Taliban to cut his head off like they said they wanted to and save everyone time, effort (and apparently several lives).

Yeah because we totally could walk away from this thing right after the Taliban beheaded an American soldier.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Jacob

Quote from: derspiess on June 04, 2014, 11:19:53 AM
Or we could just tell the Taliban to cut his head off like they said they wanted to and save everyone time, effort (and apparently several lives).

That wouldn't be due process, I'm pretty sure.

I mean, do soldiers serving the US want to go knowing they may be abandoned and have their head cut off if it is politically convenient to frame them in a bad light?

Jacob

Quote from: derspiess on June 04, 2014, 11:44:59 AMSusan Rice apparently admits that they didn't notify within the required timeframe.  And we all know she's never wrong on anything, right??

So the issue is the Administration didn't notify Congress within an appropriate timeframe? That seems a legitimate complaint, but one that's very different from what you were saying earlier.

Admiral Yi

I haven't heard any Republican talking points.  All I've heard so is the guys in his platoon calling him a deserter, not deserving of a hero's welcome.

derspiess

Quote from: Valmy on June 04, 2014, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 04, 2014, 11:19:53 AM
Or we could just tell the Taliban to cut his head off like they said they wanted to and save everyone time, effort (and apparently several lives).

Yeah because we totally could walk away from this thing right after the Taliban beheaded an American soldier.

Saves us the bullets for executing him ourselves or (more likely) the cost to house & feed him while he's in prison.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Razgovory

The problem is that Obama did it.  One of the funny things is that Ollie North is crying foul. :lol:
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

CountDeMoney

Harry Reid knew about the deal on Friday.  As far as I'm concerned, Congressional Leadership notification: satisfied.

Viking

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Quote from: Razgovory on June 04, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
The problem is that Obama did it.  One of the funny things is that Ollie North is crying foul. :lol:

That settles it. When Ollie North or G. Gordon Liddy complain about Presidential shenanigans I consider the matter resolved, in favor of the president.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

derspiess

Quote from: Jacob on June 04, 2014, 12:00:32 PM
So the issue is the Administration didn't notify Congress within an appropriate timeframe? That seems a legitimate complaint, but one that's very different from what you were saying earlier.

I'm guessing you're not reading the entire thread.  I originally listed that as one of the missteps.  Seedy made the claim that congress was properly notified, and I came back with the Susan Rice quote.

If the only misstep had been the failure to notify congress, I really wouldn't get worked up about it. 
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 04, 2014, 12:17:29 PM
Harry Reid knew about the deal on Friday.  As far as I'm concerned, Congressional Leadership notification: satisfied.

In what world do you live where one day equals thirty days?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Razgovory

Quote from: derspiess on June 04, 2014, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 04, 2014, 12:00:32 PM
So the issue is the Administration didn't notify Congress within an appropriate timeframe? That seems a legitimate complaint, but one that's very different from what you were saying earlier.

I'm guessing you're not reading the entire thread.  I originally listed that as one of the missteps.  Seedy made the claim that congress was properly notified, and I came back with the Susan Rice quote.

If the only misstep had been the failure to notify congress, I really wouldn't get worked up about it.

Dude, you get worked up if the first lady is wearing a short sleeves.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017