What the Fuck is Going On with Perceptions of Racism by the Left These Days?

[garbon]

Feeling awful is a part of the human experience that is not limited to males.

What Teach said.

[derspiess]

Upon reflection I've realized that my Appalachian Privilege is actually a disadvantage.  The city of Cincinnati actually considers 'Appalachian' a protected minority

[Malthus]

Upon reflection I've realized that my Appalachian Privilege is actually a disadvantage.  The city of Cincinnati actually considers 'Appalachian' a protected minority

On the plus side, "Appalachian Privilege" would make a great hillbilly band name. 

[Ed Anger]

You said you weren't really sure you could buy that he was a racist despite the fact he kept showing up to Aryan Nation rallies.  I found that amusing.

Is that the same thing as being okay with him?  I've never been okay with him. 

Anyway, my impression was that he attended a couple of their meetings to make contacts with them since they more or less faced a common "enemy".  Extremist types do this a lot-- this does not necessarily mean a full endorsement of each other's views or agenda.  It's obviously bad enough that he didn't have any qualms about attending the meetings. 

Randy Weaver may well be a racist-- I don't know and really don't care.  He's sufficiently weird and marginalized to where it really doesn't make much difference to me.

You should be reveling in this thread, everyone's coming down on me for not being progressive here.

Climb down off your cross.

[Razgovory]

How would you, distinguish between a person who is transgendered and someone who simply has a delusion they are of a different gender?

I think the premise of this question is flawed.  Why would there be any need to make such a judgment unless of course one started from the proposition that there is something wrong with being transgendered.

Because people are treated differently if they are delusional.  If someone were tell you that he was the Son of God, it's going to elicit laughter and pity.  If a man were tell you he was a women a lot of people are going to accept that and even call them brave for coming out for who they really are.

[Ideologue]

Raz, you realize there's a difference between a delusion and gender dysmorphia, right?  Someone who believes they are a woman is not under the impression they actually have a vagina, XX chromosomes, or tits.  I imagine they're rather acutely aware of the fact.

[derspiess]

So how does that disprove a delusion?

[crazy canuck]

How would you, distinguish between a person who is transgendered and someone who simply has a delusion they are of a different gender?

I think the premise of this question is flawed.  Why would there be any need to make such a judgment unless of course one started from the proposition that there is something wrong with being transgendered.

Because people are treated differently if they are delusional.  If someone were tell you that he was the Son of God, it's going to elicit laughter and pity.  If a man were tell you he was a women a lot of people are going to accept that and even call them brave for coming out for who they really are.

Correct.  The first person is delusional.  The second person is not.

[DGuller]

How would you, distinguish between a person who is transgendered and someone who simply has a delusion they are of a different gender?

I think the premise of this question is flawed.  Why would there be any need to make such a judgment unless of course one started from the proposition that there is something wrong with being transgendered.

One reason there may be a need is the fact that being transgendered is a condition that requires extensive medical treatment to cure.  I would guess that it would not be ethical to treat a person with such an invasive therapy if they didn't truly suffer from the condition that warrants it.

[Ideologue]

So how does that disprove a delusion?

A delusion is a mistake of fact that is impervious to evidence.  For example, you are apparently under the delusion that you read and write English.

[crazy canuck]

How would you, distinguish between a person who is transgendered and someone who simply has a delusion they are of a different gender?

I think the premise of this question is flawed.  Why would there be any need to make such a judgment unless of course one started from the proposition that there is something wrong with being transgendered.

One reason there may be a need is the fact that being transgendered is a condition that requires extensive medical treatment to cure.  I would guess that it would not be ethical to treat a person with such an invasive therapy if they didn't truly suffer from the condition that warrants it.

Cure?

[Jacob]

Because people are treated differently if they are delusional.  If someone were tell you that he was the Son of God, it's going to elicit laughter and pity.  If a man were tell you he was a women a lot of people are going to accept that and even call them brave for coming out for who they really are.

This sounds a lot like you're saying that transgendered people are in fact not transgendered, but rather delusional.

[Razgovory]

Because people are treated differently if they are delusional.  If someone were tell you that he was the Son of God, it's going to elicit laughter and pity.  If a man were tell you he was a women a lot of people are going to accept that and even call them brave for coming out for who they really are.

This sounds a lot like you're saying that transgendered people are in fact not transgendered, but rather delusional.

And if they are are?  Does that change the way you think of them?

[Razgovory]

How would you, distinguish between a person who is transgendered and someone who simply has a delusion they are of a different gender?

I think the premise of this question is flawed.  Why would there be any need to make such a judgment unless of course one started from the proposition that there is something wrong with being transgendered.

Because people are treated differently if they are delusional.  If someone were tell you that he was the Son of God, it's going to elicit laughter and pity.  If a man were tell you he was a women a lot of people are going to accept that and even call them brave for coming out for who they really are.

Correct.  The first person is delusional.  The second person is not.

Why would you make this assumption?

[Jacob]

One reason there may be a need is the fact that being transgendered is a condition that requires extensive medical treatment to cure.  I would guess that it would not be ethical to treat a person with such an invasive therapy if they didn't truly suffer from the condition that warrants it.

Are you speaking of gender reassignment surgery, hormone therapy, etc? Because I don't believe that's considered "a cure". In fact, using that term sounds similar to how "a cure for homosexuality" would sound.

As I understand it, it's a fairly lengthy process to embark on gender reassignment surgery etc, involving a whole bunch of psychological assessments and therapy before any physical or pharmaceutical steps are taken.