Are Today's Germans Morally Responsible for the Holocaust?

Started by Syt, January 23, 2014, 09:23:51 AM

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syk

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 23, 2014, 09:41:27 AM
I think Germans have a moral responsibility to be aware that they, as a people, were once capable of this type of action, and to guard against a repeat.
Racist horseshit. Civilized human beings were capable of doing these things.

Jacob

Quote from: Agelastus on January 23, 2014, 01:26:34 PMI also fail to understand what's racist about saying something that boils down to "don't get married for the wrong reasons"; is he supposed to dodge the technically accurate wording given the subject of the discussion? Or is there something inaccurate in what was posted above? Did he complain of miscegenation in any other circumstances than that motivated by self-hatred?

The word "miscegenation" in the English language carries a few centuries worth of explicitly racist political agenda as baggage - i.e. anti-miscegenation laws and popularist opposition to mixing with "lesser races". I don't think appeals to being "technically accurate" is going to divest any users of the word of that baggage.

Agelastus

Quote from: Jacob on January 24, 2014, 12:21:25 AM
The word "miscegenation" in the English language carries a few centuries worth of explicitly racist political agenda as baggage - i.e. anti-miscegenation laws and popularist opposition to mixing with "lesser races". I don't think appeals to being "technically accurate" is going to divest any users of the word of that baggage.

Really? It may have the sort of baggage you claim in the USA. It does not do so to anything like that extent in Britain.

Words don't have "baggage"; people have "baggage".
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grumbler

Quote from: Jacob on January 24, 2014, 12:21:25 AM
The word "miscegenation" in the English language carries a few centuries worth of explicitly racist political agenda as baggage - i.e. anti-miscegenation laws and popularist opposition to mixing with "lesser races". I don't think appeals to being "technically accurate" is going to divest any users of the word of that baggage.

Indeed, the word itself carries a racist tone because it inherently includes the concept of "race" and, thus "race blending."  The human race is already plenty blended.  To call out a given marriage as "miscegenation" is impossible except as a racist concept.  "Miscegenation" is a social term, not a biological one.
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Neil

Quote from: Jacob on January 24, 2014, 12:21:25 AM
Quote from: Agelastus on January 23, 2014, 01:26:34 PMI also fail to understand what's racist about saying something that boils down to "don't get married for the wrong reasons"; is he supposed to dodge the technically accurate wording given the subject of the discussion? Or is there something inaccurate in what was posted above? Did he complain of miscegenation in any other circumstances than that motivated by self-hatred?

The word "miscegenation" in the English language carries a few centuries worth of explicitly racist political agenda as baggage - i.e. anti-miscegenation laws and popularist opposition to mixing with "lesser races". I don't think appeals to being "technically accurate" is going to divest any users of the word of that baggage.
Indeed, I've just started using it heavily lately.  My best friend is half asian, and he married a white girl that we went to high school with.  So I get to use miscegenation from time to time.  It's fun.
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derspiess

Ever since my sister in law miscegenated, I've been using the term non-stop!
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citizen k

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 23, 2014, 09:28:25 PM

I don't feel Tibetans have any moral responsibility to guard against their tendency to exterminate entire ethnic groups.  Nor do Balians, or Swedes, or Australian aborigines, or most people in the world.

The Swedes wiped out the Geats? Brain, any thoughts?



fhdz

Humans should be very happy for any marriage (or union) which results in children with mixed genetic backgrounds. The goal - maybe not a societal or cultural goal, but certainly the species-level goal - is to mix things up so inherited defects (predilections to certain diseases, etc.) are watered down and spread out, and inherited advantages (resistances to various blights) are spread widely.
and the horse you rode in on

Ed Anger

Plus mixed race black girls are hotter than the ghetto sistahs.

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MadImmortalMan

So...there's an evolutionary explanation for Lettow's and CdM's yellow fever?
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fhdz

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 24, 2014, 08:48:31 PM
So...there's an evolutionary explanation for Lettow's and CdM's yellow fever?

It certainly would seem so. There's also an evolutionary explanation for why like 101% of Jewish people need glasses.
and the horse you rode in on

Kleves

Quote from: fhdz on January 24, 2014, 08:33:21 PM
Humans should be very happy for any marriage (or union) which results in children with mixed genetic backgrounds. The goal - maybe not a societal or cultural goal, but certainly the species-level goal - is to mix things up so inherited defects (predilections to certain diseases, etc.) are watered down and spread out, and inherited advantages (resistances to various blights) are spread widely.
That all sounds well and good when you type it out like that. Yet when you try to explain it to the hot Asian chick in the apartment across from you and she slams the door in your face, you're weird one. Go fig.
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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 24, 2014, 08:48:31 PM
So...there's an evolutionary explanation for Lettow's and CdM's yellow fever?

They cry during sex. According to the pornos.

So hot.
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fhdz

Quote from: Kleves on January 24, 2014, 08:59:21 PM
Quote from: fhdz on January 24, 2014, 08:33:21 PM
Humans should be very happy for any marriage (or union) which results in children with mixed genetic backgrounds. The goal - maybe not a societal or cultural goal, but certainly the species-level goal - is to mix things up so inherited defects (predilections to certain diseases, etc.) are watered down and spread out, and inherited advantages (resistances to various blights) are spread widely.
That all sounds well and good when you type it out like that. Yet when you try to explain it to the hot Asian chick in the apartment across from you and she slams the door in your face, you're weird one. Go fig.

I can't help you with your game. I can only help you with science.
and the horse you rode in on

fhdz

and the horse you rode in on