Butthurt guy whines about Canada's warship names

[PDH]

I liked this thread better when I was posting drunk replies in it.

[katmai]

And what is stopping you now sir?!?

[PDH]

Good point.  Give me some time and I'll be back to figure out where the Great Plains are with Yi.

[Admiral Yi]

The Great Plains and I are solid.

[grumbler]

The Maritimes wanted to unite to get a better deal in their trade with the US.  One of the reasons they joined Canada is they were promised a Free trade agreement with the United States and the other canadian provinces joining in the Confederation. 

And who would negotiate this agreement?  London, just as London had negotiated the Elgin-Marcy Treaty.  So, to get what they wanted, the Maritimes wanted to unite to give them more leverage in London, not Washington.  You are merely reinforcing my point.

Anyhow, again, the basic idea of the proposed merger was to create a stronger block toward the United States.  The idea of joining not only the Maritimes, but Upper&Lower Canada also was received with mixed feelings, as the links were never that strong between the various provinces.  Trade has most often been made on a north-south axis rather then east-west.  Even today, in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, you'll find a lot more Bruins fans than Habs or Leafs fans.

More reinforcements for my argument! 

[Ed Anger]

I liked this thread better when I was posting drunk replies in it.

I am still entertained.

[PDH]

I liked this thread better when I was posting drunk replies in it.

I am still entertained.

Needs more Calvados

[Ed Anger]

I've got some pear Calvados. Every time Grumbler posts more that 3 paragraphs, I'll take a drink.

[Tonitrus]

I've got some pear Calvados. Every time Grumbler posts more that 3 paragraphs, I'll take a drink.

Good moderation.  A drinking game where you take a shot every time Grumbler says "strawman" or "you're just reenforcing my argument" would be killer.

[Ed Anger]

Viper blames English Canada - 1 drink
Josq posts a mopey diatribe - 1 drink
Beeb mentions Curling - 1 drink
Ide mentions nationalization- 1 drink
Tim being his usual Assburger self - 1 drink

[Ed Anger]

[jimmy olsen]

Actually, as we saw with the case of British Colombia, there was no legal way for a non-US territory to p[petition to become a territory or state.  Several bills were offered to try to rectify this in the US Congress, but they all failed.  BC was the only current Canadian territory that was ever in danger of trying to seek to join the US, because of the residual US residents from the gold rush era, but it wasn't part of the original Confederation of canada, only joining in 1871 (after Canada offered to absorb the territory's massive per-capita debt).  Even then, it was no sense of "Canadian identity" that motivated the British Colombians; they seriously threatened several times thereafter to leave the Confederation in those first years over what they saw as broken promises.

Again, we see "Canadian identity" arising from confederation, rather than causing it.  And, again, we see confederation arising not from fear of a US takeover, but from a desire to simplify and strengthen the hand of the locals vis-a-vis London.

I would like to learn more about this. Can you recommend a good source?

[Siege]

Why is Berkut winning about Canada's warship names?

[grumbler]

I would like to learn more about this. Can you recommend a good source?

Canada: A Story of Challenge by J. M. S. Careless is old, but good.  Get the 1963 edition, and brag that you have "read a Careless book about Canada"

[Berkut]

Why is Berkut winning about Canada's warship names?

I am just a winner.