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Where should the EU go from here?

Started by Queequeg, December 14, 2013, 04:22:49 AM

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Where should the EU go from here?

I'm a citizen of the EU, and I think the EU should push towards faster integration and expansion
6 (17.1%)
I'm a citizen of the EU, and I think integration of the core is fine but expansion should halt, at least temporarily
7 (20%)
I'm a citizen of the EU and I think that no further integration is needed temporarily, but expansion is fine
0 (0%)
I'm a citizen of the EU, and I think it should just try not to collapse for a few years
1 (2.9%)
I'm a citizen of the EU, and I think devolution is needed but expansion is fine
0 (0%)
I'm a citizen of the EU, and I think that the status quo in Brussels is okay but the non-core states should leave
1 (2.9%)
I'm a citizen of the EU and I think it's completely useless and was from Day-1
0 (0%)
I'm a non-EU European and want my country to join a further integrated EU
0 (0%)
I'm a non-EU European and want my country to stay the hell away from Brussels
1 (2.9%)
I'm not a European but I'm generally in favor of further expansion and integration of the EU
7 (20%)
I'm not a European and I think that the entire European project was a mistake
3 (8.6%)
I'm not a European and I'm glad of it, not my issue
5 (14.3%)
I'm Emperor Jaron and I demand that Europe restore the borders of the Empire to the time of Justinian
0 (0%)
Other (explain)
4 (11.4%)

Total Members Voted: 34

Queequeg

Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Queequeg

For non-EU European, use your own definition but explain why.  I was thinking Euro, but play your own kind of music.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

The Brain

Other. I don't think the EU is completely useless, it can help with keeping the retarded countries on the Continent from going to war over silly things all the time. But as a real organization for grown-up countries the EU is retarded.
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Syt

I think integration should continue, but expansion should be slowed down, because any prospective and interested new members (Ukraine, ex-Yugo, Turkey) would make consolidation even harder, though I wouldn't be against having special agreements that, over time, give them a similar relationship with the EU as Switzerland or Norway have certain degree of ecoomic integration, but no little to no political integration).
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Queequeg

Quote from: The Brain on December 14, 2013, 04:30:39 AM
Other. I don't think the EU is completely useless, it can help with keeping the retarded countries on the Continent from going to war over silly things all the time. But as a real organization for grown-up countries the EU is retarded.
I was thinking about putting in "I'm European and like the EU okay but it's not for us" because it would probably have a lot of Scandis, but didn't put it in for some reason.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

The Brain

Quote from: Queequeg on December 14, 2013, 04:32:30 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 14, 2013, 04:30:39 AM
Other. I don't think the EU is completely useless, it can help with keeping the retarded countries on the Continent from going to war over silly things all the time. But as a real organization for grown-up countries the EU is retarded.
I was thinking about putting in "I'm European and like the EU okay but it's not for us" because it would probably have a lot of Scandis, but didn't put it in for some reason.

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Queequeg

I'd like to see a Europe without national boundaries as a natural, coherent ally in the world with the US. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Queequeg

Quote from: The Brain on December 14, 2013, 04:33:39 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on December 14, 2013, 04:32:30 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 14, 2013, 04:30:39 AM
Other. I don't think the EU is completely useless, it can help with keeping the retarded countries on the Continent from going to war over silly things all the time. But as a real organization for grown-up countries the EU is retarded.
I was thinking about putting in "I'm European and like the EU okay but it's not for us" because it would probably have a lot of Scandis, but didn't put it in for some reason.

It's OK, I still love you.
:hug:
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Crazy_Ivan80

other: no more expansion, no more integration but devolution until the Union is remade as a pure trade-block. What people like Verhofstadt and Cohn-Bandit (sp?) are peddling belongs on the dungheap of bad ideas.

Ideologue

Once the EU became a vehicle for German bankers to loot the continent, it was probably doomed.
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grumbler

Quote from: Ideologue on December 14, 2013, 03:09:02 PM
Once the EU became a vehicle for German bankers to loot the continent, it was probably doomed.
:lmfao:
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Ideologue on December 14, 2013, 03:09:02 PM
Once the EU became a vehicle for German bankers to loot the continent, it was probably doomed.

Dude, that's not even close.

Ideologue

Huge account surpluses paid for by other countries' debt combined with constant demands that the debtors destroy their own governments if it means Germany gets another penny today rather than a Greek eat tomorrow?  You've blinded yourself to the international German conspiracy.

OK, maybe I'm being a little silly.
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Valmy

Integration?  Yes.  Expansion?  No.
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Josquius

Integration and expansion yes.
For expansion it's not like we're going to have another mass addition of Eastern Europeans anytime soon.
Serbia is reasonably small and has a long way to go, the other Yugoslavs even smaller and further,
Albania is a joke.
Iceland, if they do decide to join, are tiny and fine.
Ukraine? Georgia? Yeah, not even on the agenda.
Turkey is the only one with potential to join and could cause problems, but again it has a long way to go before it can begin to qualify.
Cape Verde are small and welcome.
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