Ukraine's European Revolution?

[Caliga]

Ukraine should just surrender and be done with it.  They're going to be a part of Russia whether they like it or not.  Like if Texas decided to declare independence, AmeriKKA definitely wouldn't let it happen either.  Ukraine is lucky it's been allowed to be independent for this long I guess.

[Valmy]

Doesn't the US do basically the same thing with NGOs? 

We do some pretty sneaky crap through those NGOs but it is not basically the same thing.

[Valmy]

Ukraine should just surrender and be done with it.  They're going to be a part of Russia whether they like it or not.  Like if Texas decided to declare independence, AmeriKKA definitely wouldn't let it happen either.  Ukraine is lucky it's been allowed to be independent for this long I guess.

If Texas decided to declare independence the rest of the country would be so far gone AmeriKKKa wouldn't have a choice.  Seriously Kentucky is more likely to declare independence. 

[Barrister]

Ukraine should just surrender and be done with it.  They're going to be a part of Russia whether they like it or not.  Like if Texas decided to declare independence, AmeriKKA definitely wouldn't let it happen either.  Ukraine is lucky it's been allowed to be independent for this long I guess.

Fuck you. 

Shche ne vmerla ukraina!

[garbon]

Ukraine should just surrender and be done with it.  They're going to be a part of Russia whether they like it or not.  Like if Texas decided to declare independence, AmeriKKA definitely wouldn't let it happen either.  Ukraine is lucky it's been allowed to be independent for this long I guess.

If Texas decided to declare independence the rest of the country would be so far gone AmeriKKKa wouldn't have a choice.  Seriously Kentucky is more likely to declare independence. 

What does "far gone" mean in this instance?

[Valmy]

What does "far gone" mean in this instance?

The country is politically (or physically even I guess) collapsing for some reason.  Maybe nukes have taken out the East Coast.

[jimmy olsen]

There's definitely going to be bloodshed. Even if Putin only intended to take the Crimea, as this guy says, that's stirred up the Russians in the east of the Ukraine and he can't just let the Ukranians crush them. He'll have to intervene even if he doesn't really want to (though I think he does).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10752749/Ukraine-crisis-Its-not-just-the-Russians-spoiling-for-a-fight.html

[Syt]

Possibly just some political grandstanding by a bunch of back benchers. Hopefully.

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/727175

Group of lawmakers demands to try Mikhail Gorbachev for complicity in USSR breakup

Gorbachev is accused of creating the USSR State Council that adopted orders on recognizing the independence of Baltic Soviet republics

MOSCOW, April 10. /ITAR-TASS/. A group of State Duma members from different political factions has prepared a request addressed to Russia's Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika. The lawmakers demand to conduct a prosecutor's investigation into the events that took place in the period of USSR breakup.

The parliamentarians expect that over the request and the following investigation, criminal cases would be filed, in particular, against the last Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, the Izvestia newspaper reports on Thursday.

In their request, the deputies note that Soviet citizens voted at a referendum for keeping the state's integrity, but top Soviet leadership committed illegal actions, which led to the country's breakup. The initiators of the investigation recall that November 4, 1991, the directorate for supervision over the execution of law on state security under the USSR Prosecutor's General Office filed a case against USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev. However, on the next day, the Prosecutor's Office under pressure of the last Soviet leader cancelled the order on institution of criminal proceedings.

Gorbachev is accused of creating the USSR State Council and chairing this institution, which was not stipulated by the Soviet Constitution as a government authority. It was the State Council that adopted orders on recognizing the independence of Baltic Soviet republics, although such decisions could not be made even by legitimate authorities.

Among the initiators of the request are United Russia deputies Yevgeny Fyodorov and Anton Romanov, members of the Communist Party (KPRF) Igan Nikitchuk and Oleg Denisenko, as well as representative of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) faction Mikhail Degtyaryov.

"It's very important to do this, since until today there were no legal estimates given to the fact of breaking up a state," Degtyaryov noted. "Even today, we are facing the consequences of developments of 1991. People in Kiev are dying and will be dying further due to the fault of those, who made the decision to destroy the country in the Kremlin many years ago."

The lawmakers also noted in their request that such crimes did not have a term of limitation, and Gorbachev himself currently does not have any immunity that would prevent criminal prosecution.

[Tamas]

They should really try and limit the schrills of the propaganda machine, because if they go full retard on the whole "Soviet Union never should have ceased to exist legally" angle, that will be hard to stop after conquering the Ukraine, and the Baltic States being NATO members, this could get ugly real fast.

I am still not sure about that 80k Russian troops on the Ukrainian border though. That is the only thing that gives me hope: it sounds awfully few to police a country of Ukraine's size.

[grumbler]

I am still not sure about that 80k Russian troops on the Ukrainian border though. That is the only thing that gives me hope: it sounds awfully few to police a country of Ukraine's size.

They probably plan to recruit a few divisions of KGB Polizei to help

[alfred russel]

They should really try and limit the schrills of the propaganda machine, because if they go full retard on the whole "Soviet Union never should have ceased to exist legally" angle, that will be hard to stop after conquering the Ukraine, and the Baltic States being NATO members, this could get ugly real fast.

I am still not sure about that 80k Russian troops on the Ukrainian border though. That is the only thing that gives me hope: it sounds awfully few to police a country of Ukraine's size.

I wonder if countries sometimes underpower their invasion forces because they don't consider the needs of security operations once the country is occupied?   

[mongers]

They should really try and limit the schrills of the propaganda machine, because if they go full retard on the whole "Soviet Union never should have ceased to exist legally" angle, that will be hard to stop after conquering the Ukraine, and the Baltic States being NATO members, this could get ugly real fast.

I am still not sure about that 80k Russian troops on the Ukrainian border though. That is the only thing that gives me hope: it sounds awfully few to police a country of Ukraine's size.

I wonder if countries sometimes underpower their invasion forces because they don't consider the needs of security operations once the country is occupied?   

That's just madness man, no one in their right mind would think that way.

[Ed Anger]

I see what Mongers did.

[derspiess]

Shche ne vmerla ukraina!

Yeah, that! 

[Capetan Mihali]

Possibly just some political grandstanding by a bunch of back benchers. Hopefully.

In fairness, it's hard to see anything from the back benches unless you grandstand.