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Ukraine's European Revolution?

Started by Sheilbh, December 03, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

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Savonarola

Quote from: Valmy on March 21, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 21, 2014, 09:25:11 AM
I was told that Ukrainian and Russian deserts are basically just one big bomb of sugar/sweetness with no other taste.

So...American deserts?

More sugary than that (for the most part.)  They're like eating Betty Crocker Cake Frosting straight from the can.
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MadImmortalMan

Quote from: Savonarola on March 21, 2014, 12:15:13 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 21, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 21, 2014, 09:25:11 AM
I was told that Ukrainian and Russian deserts are basically just one big bomb of sugar/sweetness with no other taste.

So...American deserts?

More sugary than that (for the most part.)  They're like eating Betty Crocker Cake Frosting straight from the can.

Sounds like that's more to blame for the babushkas than the vodka and coke.
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Savonarola on March 21, 2014, 12:15:13 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 21, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 21, 2014, 09:25:11 AM
I was told that Ukrainian and Russian deserts are basically just one big bomb of sugar/sweetness with no other taste.

So...American deserts?

More sugary than that (for the most part.)  They're like eating Betty Crocker Cake Frosting straight from the can.

:licklips:
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Admiral Yi

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/22/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Russkies bashed in the gate of a Ukrainian base with a BMP.

Where would self-defense forces get their hands on a BMP?


DGuller

One positive outcome from this invasion is that it seems like all the Russians on the World of Tanks test server have lose their inferiority complex, and don't need to curse out American players in Russian anymore.

Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 22, 2014, 06:03:55 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/22/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Russkies bashed in the gate of a Ukrainian base with a BMP.

Where would self-defense forces get their hands on a BMP?

That's not a BMP.  That's a BTR.
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Ed Anger

Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2014, 07:09:52 PM
One positive outcome from this invasion is that it seems like all the Russians on the World of Tanks test server have lose their inferiority complex, and don't need to curse out American players in Russian anymore.

You aren't American.
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mongers

Quote from: Razgovory on March 22, 2014, 07:16:22 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 22, 2014, 06:03:55 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/22/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Russkies bashed in the gate of a Ukrainian base with a BMP.

Where would self-defense forces get their hands on a BMP?

That's not a BMP.  That's a BTR.

Yeah, some modernised version of a BTR-60.
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DGuller

Quote from: Ed Anger on March 22, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2014, 07:09:52 PM
One positive outcome from this invasion is that it seems like all the Russians on the World of Tanks test server have lose their inferiority complex, and don't need to curse out American players in Russian anymore.

You aren't American.
:cry:  I jinxed it anyway.  Now I've seen two Russian call Americans or Europeans "foreign faggots".

Syt

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/russian-troops-may-invade-ukraine-white-house

QuoteRussian troops may be massing to invade Ukraine, says White House

• Blinken: troop buildup on eastern border 'deeply concerning'
• Nato chief: force is 'very, very sizeable and very, very ready'


Russian forces gathering on the border with eastern Ukraine may be poised to invade, the White House warned on Sunday, as the government in Kiev said that the prospect of war with Moscow was continuing to grow after the annexation of Crimea.

Speaking after Nato's top commander in Europe voiced alarm about the size and preparedness of the Russian troop buildup, President Barack Obama's deputy national security adviser, Tony Blinken, said President Vladimir Putin may indeed be readying further action.

"It's deeply concerning to see the Russian troop buildup on the border," Blinken told CNN. "It creates the potential for incidents, for instability. It's likely that what they're trying to do is intimidate the Ukrainians. It's possible that they're preparing to move in."

Thousands of Russian troops held a military exercise near the border even before Putin last week formally annexed Ukraine's southern Crimea region following a referendum – condemned as illegal by western governments – that endorsed unification with Russia.

General Philip Breedlove, Nato's supreme allied commander in Europe, said earlier on Sunday that the Russian military force gathered near the Ukrainian border was "very, very sizeable and very, very ready" and could even pose a threat to Moldova, on the other side of the country.

Andriy Deshchytsia, Ukraine's acting foreign minister, said the chances of all-out war between his government and Moscow "are growing", adding: "The situation is becoming even more explosive than it was a week ago."

Deshchytsia told ABC News: "We are ready to respond. The Ukraine government is trying to use all the peaceful diplomatic means ... to stop Russians, but the people are also ready to defend their homeland.

"At this moment, when Russian troops would be invading the eastern region," Deshchytsia went on, "it would be difficult for us to ask people who live there not to respond on this military invasion".

Russian forces in the Crimean city of Belbek on Saturday aggressively seized a military base that was one of the last strongholds of the Ukrainian military in the region. Moscow, meanwhile, allowed civilian observers from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to begin monitoring elsewhere in Ukraine.

The Russian deputy defence minister, Anatoly Antonov, told state media on Sunday: "The Russian defence ministry is in compliance with all international agreements limiting the number of troops in the border areas with Ukraine."

Speaking from the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, Mike Rogers, the chair of the House of Representatives intelligence committee, said US intelligence officials were convinced "that Putin is not done in Ukraine".

"It is very troubling," Rogers told NBC's Meet the Press. "He has put all the military units he would need to move into Ukraine on its eastern border and is doing exercises. We see him moving forces in the south in a position where he could take the southern region over to Moldova."

Nato officials are concerned that Putin could have designs on Transnistria, a restive Russian-speaking region in western Moldova also known as Trans-Dniester, where separatist leaders have demanded to be allowed to join Russia following the annexation of Crimea.

Breedlove, the Nato commander, said during remarks at an event held by the Marshall Fund thinktank that in the Kremlin's view, the region was the "next place where Russian-speaking people may need to be incorporated".

"There is absolutely sufficient force postured on the eastern border of Ukraine to run to Trans-Dniester if the decision was made to do that," said Breedlove, "and that is very worrisome."

Moldova's President Nicolae Timofti warned Putin last week against considering the annexation of Transnistria.

Pressed on whether Obama was managing to punish Putin, Blinken claimed that the Russian president had already seen "a real cost" economically, and that the US president would continue working to "bring the world together in support of Ukraine, to isolate Russia" on a visit to Europe next week.

"We see investors looking at Russia and sitting on the fence, because they are looking for three things – they are looking for stability, looking to see if the country makes good on its international agreements, and to see if the country is integrated with the world economy," said Blinken.

"On all three of those areas Putin holds tremendous doubts, and we have extended those doubts."

However, Rogers, a Michigan Republican, said "I don't think the rhetoric matches the reality on the ground" and called for increased US action in support of Ukraine to allow those potentially in Putin's sights to "protect and defend themselves".

"We're talking about small arms so they can protect themselves. Maybe medical supplies, radio equipment ... defensive-posture weapon systems," said Rogers.

Asked if the White House would consider direct military aid, Blinken said: "All of that is under review."

Meanwhile, the former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said that President Barack Obama could have done more to persuade Russia not to annex Crimea.

During the 2012 presidential race, Romney took criticism from Obama for saying Russia was America's "number one geopolitical foe" not al-Qaida. Now Romney has told CBS's Face the Nation that Obama's "naivete" and "faulty judgment" about Russia has led to a number of foreign policy challenges. Romney said the US should have worked sooner with allies to make clear the penalties that Russia could have faced if it moved into Ukraine.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/russia-troop-limits-ukraine-border

QuoteRussia says it is complying with troop limits near Ukraine border

Nato general says Russian force is 'very sizeable and very ready', but Moscow says it has not breached agreements


Russia's defence ministry has said it is complying with international troop limits near its border with Ukraine, after Nato's top military commander voiced concern over what he said was a large Russian force in the region.

"The Russian defence ministry is in compliance with all international agreements limiting the number of troops in the border areas with Ukraine," the deputy defence minister, Anatoly Antonov, was quoted by Russian news agencies as saying.

Nato's supreme allied commander Europe, General Philip Breedlove, said the Russian force near the Ukrainian border was "very, very sizeable and very, very ready". He said he was worried it could pose a threat to Moldova's mainly Russian-speaking separatist Transdniestria region.

As Russian forces consolidated control over Crimea two days after President Vladimir Putin signed laws completing Russia's annexation of the Black Sea peninsula, some have voiced fears that Putin may try to grab more territory in the east of the country.

Antonov said eight groups of international inspectors had conducted missions in Russia in the last month to check on Russian troop movements.

"We cooperated to our utmost with our partners, allowing them to inspect all sites in which they were interested. We have nothing to hide there," Antonov was quoted by the state RIA and Itar-Tass news agencies as saying.

"The conclusion that our foreign partners made ... [was that] Russian armed forces are not undertaking any undeclared military activities that could cause a threat to the security of neighbouring states," he said.
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Syt

From EUOT:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?736354-Ukraine-political-crisis-civil-disorder-and-Russian-invasion&p=17114914&viewfull=1#post17114914

Quote from: BlaaatPolish television might be trolling us and pulling off an early April fools, but according to them the Polish Foreign Ministry has received an official document of the Russian Duma requesting that Poland demands a referendum in the five most Western provinces of Ukraine to join Poland. Hungary and Romania have received similar documents.



Can anyone from those countries confirm this?
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—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Syt

It appears this particular insanity springs from the mind of Vladimir Zhirinovski.
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Malthus

Quote from: Syt on March 23, 2014, 03:15:03 PM
It appears this particular insanity springs from the mind of Vladimir Zhirinovski.

Heh, "reaching out" to the West worked for the partitions of Poland ...  :lol:
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Duque de Bragança

#3419
Bessarabia should go to Moldavia or Romania by this admittedly weird token map logic.