Ukraine's European Revolution?

[DGuller]

Meh, let them play with their guns.  This is Lviv.  If they actually have to fire those things in Lviv, then things have gotten really, really bad for the good guys.

Any old friends fighting there?

Old enemies are much more statistically likely. 

Yeah, the good guys you cheer for now probably include the anti semites that made your life miserable before. But they are probably still the good guys and worthy of your cheering, because the other guys are worse. Eastern Europe. 

[Tamas]

As it turns out, you guys all got it wrong. Hungarian state radio news did not mention the protesters getting shot, at all. They talked about snipers killing policemen, and that the police forces "have started fighting terrorist activity".

If you are wondering, we just signed a historically huge deal with Russia to build a new nuclear power plant, for which Putin will give us 15 billion dollars or thereabouts, almost the exact same amount he agreed to give to Ukraine and is withholding at the moment.

So yeah, say what you will but if Ukraine falls into Russia's arms, Putin will not stop there. He already has his foot in the EU via us.

[Razgovory]

The UK?

[Tamas]

The UK?

Hungary. I still forget some times that I am living far away from there, now. 

[KRonn]

As it turns out, you guys all got it wrong. Hungarian state radio news did not mention the protesters getting shot, at all. They talked about snipers killing policemen, and that the police forces "have started fighting terrorist activity".

If you are wondering, we just signed a historically huge deal with Russia to build a new nuclear power plant, for which Putin will give us 15 billion dollars or thereabouts, almost the exact same amount he agreed to give to Ukraine and is withholding at the moment.

So yeah, say what you will but if Ukraine falls into Russia's arms, Putin will not stop there. He already has his foot in the EU via us.

A nuke plant using Russian plans? I would think French nuke plant tech is much better, or a few other nations. Why go with Russia? I assume the money bribe inducement.

[Tamas]

As it turns out, you guys all got it wrong. Hungarian state radio news did not mention the protesters getting shot, at all. They talked about snipers killing policemen, and that the police forces "have started fighting terrorist activity".

If you are wondering, we just signed a historically huge deal with Russia to build a new nuclear power plant, for which Putin will give us 15 billion dollars or thereabouts, almost the exact same amount he agreed to give to Ukraine and is withholding at the moment.

So yeah, say what you will but if Ukraine falls into Russia's arms, Putin will not stop there. He already has his foot in the EU via us.

A nuke plant using Russian plans? I would think French nuke plant tech is much better, or a few other nations. Why go with Russia? I assume the money bribe inducement.

You probably assume right. Although it will be an extension to our already present (Russian built) nucular power plant.

But nobody understands the reasons, exact terms are kept secret, what is known of them basically hint at a blank cheque handed to Putin both in terms of the loan terms, as well as later Russian influence on stuff like price of electricity provided by the plant (there is a "relevant Russian comity" which will need to agree to the prices set. While the power plant itself will be owned by the Hungarian state  )

Very confusing and troubling. For me it hints at our Prime Minister (who clearly has ambitions of replicating Putin's "achievments" in internal rule) securing a new protector in case he pushed things to a fallout with the EU in the coming decades.

[Liep]

So can we expect a 'Hungary's European Revolution' thread any time soon?

[derspiess]

So from what I understand, the measures passed by parliament last night (or early this morning local Kiev time?) were subject to presidential approval so Yanu still had a bargaining chip left.  He has agreed to a deal with the opposition & it sounds like the terms include Yanu staying as prez for now, early elections (i.e., sometime this year), return to 2004 constitution with redistribution of powers from president to parliament, and the interior minister (a very evil-looking man btw) will not be in the new government.

EU is happy with the agreement; Russia is not.

[KRonn]

Tamas, Sounds like your Prime Minister is nostalgic about the "good old" Soviet occupation days.   Whether you get the plant from Russia or not, you should have control of your own power generation, no need of some kind of Russian, or any other, outside influence or payoffs. That plan sounds really odd - I'd say follow the money/influence trail to see who profits and why. Though I guess since it's a Russian plant, and the Russians are funding a lot of it, they want their payback.

[Valmy]

So yeah, say what you will but if Ukraine falls into Russia's arms, Putin will not stop there. He already has his foot in the EU via us.

Really?  The freaking Russians?  After 1849 and 1956 the Hungarians still think it is the Western Europeans and the United States who are their enemy and the Russians who are their friends?  That is hilarious.  How stupid can they be?

[Syt]

The fun thing is that under EU rules Hungary normally would have had to put the project through a public bidding process; they've gotten around that by declaring this an expansion of an existing installation.

[alfred russel]

So yeah, say what you will but if Ukraine falls into Russia's arms, Putin will not stop there. He already has his foot in the EU via us.

Really?  The freaking Russians?  After 1849 and 1956 the Hungarians still think it is the Western Europeans and the United States who are their enemy and the Russians who are their friends?  That is hilarious.  How stupid can they be?

If Russia is going to give them $15b, why not play the line that the Ukrainian police are fighting terrorist activity?

[Admiral Yi]

I'd be willing to say that for $15 billion.

[alfred russel]

EU is happy with the agreement; Russia is not.

EU wins, Russia loses? I didn't expect it to turn out that way, but if it does good for Ukraine.

[DGuller]

I'd be willing to say that for $15 billion.

I'd even settle for $10 billion.