Ukraine's European Revolution?

[derspiess]

I am more skeptical that the new found commitment to peace by the government is just a tactic to buy time to put more loyal troops into the West.

I dunno - Yanukovych has shown a willingness to negotiate, on multiple occasions.

It's just that he appears unwilling to make any concessions that would limit his own power as president.

So he'd talk but he probably wouldn't actually negotiate in good faith.  My gut sez he's just trying to buy a little time.

Oh crap, I just realized CC & I apparently agree on something

[Barrister]

I am more skeptical that the new found commitment to peace by the government is just a tactic to buy time to put more loyal troops into the West.

I dunno - Yanukovych has shown a willingness to negotiate, on multiple occasions.

It's just that he appears unwilling to make any concessions that would limit his own power as president.

So he'd talk but he probably wouldn't actually negotiate in good faith.  My gut sez he's just trying to buy a little time.

Yes, probably trying to buy time too.  If he wanted to just go all Tiannamen Square he would've done that a long time ago.

[crazy canuck]

Oh crap, I just realized CC & I apparently agree on something

Lets not speak of this

[Maximus]

Truce confirmed.

http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/30111.html

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm very skeptical that the country can be pulled back from so close to the brink after all the violence we saw yesterday. Once these dynamics get started they're really hard to stop.

I pretty skeptical myself. 24 hours ago, maybe, but now I don't know...

Apparently an opposition politician threatened Yanukovych with a Qaddafi on live TV, can't seem to find it now but that seems to be the state of emotion there.

[Razgovory]

And why the tears for Ukrainian Greek Catholics?  There are a whole parcel of active Uniate churches going in Edmonton and Alberta, for example.

Really?  You have to ask why people might feel sympathy for them?

As a committed Orange man any response to a catholic that doesn't involve driving them out of the country is confusing to BB.

[DGuller]

Battle aftermath:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y.  Not for the faint of heart.

[Razgovory]

Battle aftermath:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y.  Not for the faint of heart.

They need to stop throwing ketchup bottles at each other.

[Admiral Yi]

Battle aftermath:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y.  Not for the faint of heart.

The riot cops are surprisingly unhostile to the good guys and surprisingly indifferent to film crews.

I'm more accustomed to seeing them batoning crippled guys trying to crawl away and TV crews.

[crazy canuck]

Battle aftermath:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y.  Not for the faint of heart.

The riot cops are surprisingly unhostile to the good guys and surprisingly indifferent to film crews.

I'm more accustomed to seeing them batoning crippled guys trying to crawl away and TV crews.

I was a bit confused as to who was who.  All those head wounds tell me neither side was engaging in minimal force protocals.

[11B4V]

Battle aftermath:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y.  Not for the faint of heart.

They need to stop throwing ketchup bottles at each other.

How nice of the police to help them. That's customer service. 

[DGuller]

A couple of Berkut guys were screaming in Russian at the film crews, and telling to get to get the fuck out, but generally, it did seem a little surreal.  Unless those Berkut guys went over on the other side, which is highly unlikely, the two sides did seem to at least cease fire after the bloodbath and work together on evacuating the wounded.

[alfred russel]

I am more skeptical that the new found commitment to peace by the government is just a tactic to buy time to put more loyal troops into the West.

Probably, but I doubt the protestors can really win. Either by continuing with the status quo or escalating to a civil war.

[DGuller]

I am more skeptical that the new found commitment to peace by the government is just a tactic to buy time to put more loyal troops into the West.

Probably, but I doubt the protestors can really win. Either by continuing with the status quo or escalating to a civil war.

Not alone, no.  But then again, Egyptian protesters didn't accomplish anything on their own either, but eventually the army went over on their side, and peace and prosperity followed. 

[crazy canuck]

I am more skeptical that the new found commitment to peace by the government is just a tactic to buy time to put more loyal troops into the West.

Probably, but I doubt the protestors can really win. Either by continuing with the status quo or escalating to a civil war.

Why do you think that?

[grumbler]

Oh crap, I just realized CC & I apparently agree on something

That happened to me last week.  I eventually decided to blow it off as a one-in-a-million happenstance.