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Started by Sheilbh, December 03, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

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derspiess

#4680
May 06, 2014, 01:54:08 PM
I think we should go back to calling Argentina "the Argentine".
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KRonn

#4681
May 06, 2014, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Tamas on May 06, 2014, 11:05:01 AM

I am not seeing "we want to stay Ukraine but we do not like this government" protests. ANYWHERE. What I see is masked guys in unmarked military uniforms joined by local thugs taking over local government buildings in different cities in coordinated assaults then shooting down helicopters with anti-aircraft weaponry.

That is NOT about inner politics dissent over a shaky and fucked up government (which they clearly have).

I think what Russia is up to is pretty standard ops to send in special forces to infiltrate and work with the local friendly forces, incite unrest, etc.

Queequeg

#4682
May 06, 2014, 02:31:33 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 06, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 06, 2014, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: Maladict on May 06, 2014, 06:23:27 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on May 05, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
The Netherlands are just a breakaway region of Germany.

The Netherlands is singular, not plural. :contract:



it's plural as it refers to the many small states that formed the country in the 16th century (and to the Southern and Northern Netherlands that formed the state after it was reformed in 1814/15). English doesn't have a singular form for the place.

Pretty sure it should be "The Netherlands is" and not "The Netherlands are" in English.

Both sound acceptable. 
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grumbler

#4683
May 06, 2014, 02:32:51 PM Last Edit: May 06, 2014, 02:34:33 PM by grumbler
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 06, 2014, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: Maladict on May 06, 2014, 06:23:27 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on May 05, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
The Netherlands are just a breakaway region of Germany.

The Netherlands is singular, not plural. :contract:



it's plural as it refers to the many small states that formed the country in the 16th century (and to the Southern and Northern Netherlands that formed the state after it was reformed in 1814/15). English doesn't have a singular form for the place.
It is singular.  It is a common mistake for non-American-English speakers to confuse the particular case of a country or a company for plural, but that's not how it works.  "The United States of America" is singular in English, even though the noun portion of the name is plural.  Ditto for "Sanford and Sons".

Note that British-English uses the plural for a company:  "Wal-Mart are opening a new store."
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Razgovory

#4684
May 06, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on May 06, 2014, 11:27:05 AM

Sure, the Russians are sending in infiltrators who are claiming to speak for the population. The real Crimean referendum result suggests that the east Ukrainians aren't exactly sold on the idea of becoming part of Russia, but that the Russian forces are allowed to operate so freely also suggests that the population condones their actions to some degree. Offering the Donbas autonomy as an alternative to being ruled by a nationalist government or joining Russia would weaken the Russian position there.



People who walk around in military uniforms and with assault rifles get quite a bit of leeway in what they want to do, no matter what the public opinion is.
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Valmy

#4685
May 06, 2014, 02:43:26 PM
If only we could send in those guys from Nevada to stop them.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

PDH

#4686
May 06, 2014, 02:45:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 06, 2014, 02:43:26 PM
If only we could send in those guys from Nevada to stop them.

They could teach them a thing or two about roadblocks.
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Razgovory

#4687
May 06, 2014, 04:09:08 PM
And human shields.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

#4688
May 06, 2014, 04:59:07 PM
<cue Raz domestic terrorist rant>
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Razgovory

#4689
May 06, 2014, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 06, 2014, 04:59:07 PM
<cue Raz domestic terrorist rant>

I think they dug enough of a hole for themselves, don't you?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

jimmy olsen

#4690
May 06, 2014, 09:01:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 06, 2014, 02:32:51 PM

It is singular.  It is a common mistake for non-American-English speakers to confuse the particular case of a country or a company for plural, but that's not how it works.  "The United States of America" is singular in English, even though the noun portion of the name is plural.
Wasn't it plural before 1865?
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Valmy

#4691
May 06, 2014, 09:22:31 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 06, 2014, 09:01:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 06, 2014, 02:32:51 PM

It is singular.  It is a common mistake for non-American-English speakers to confuse the particular case of a country or a company for plural, but that's not how it works.  "The United States of America" is singular in English, even though the noun portion of the name is plural.
Wasn't it plural before 1865?

Myth.  There was a change in the 19th century from the plural to singular forms but it started far earlier and the events of crisis and the Civil War slowed that process down rather than was responsible for it.  Which is sort of logical when you think about it.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

#4692
May 07, 2014, 08:24:15 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2014, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 06, 2014, 04:59:07 PM
<cue Raz domestic terrorist rant>

I think they dug enough of a hole for themselves, don't you?

To a point.  Just maybe not as deep as you think.
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Syt

#4693
May 07, 2014, 08:42:15 AM
From EUOT:



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mongers

#4694
May 07, 2014, 08:49:44 AM
Does the pigs head on the far left represent The Netherlands ?
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