A giant Teutonic brothel - Has liberalization gone too far?

[Ideologue]

I fuck any disease-free chick for $9.99.

[Admiral Yi]

But that's not the issue. Why money make it okay for someone to be able to sexually use another person?

Money doesn't make it OK.  It's already OK.

I think sexuality is something we treat differently than other jobs or services, with good reason. I mean you probably feel as much sexual willing for a john as the average prostitute does. Is that fundamentally the same as you having to stare at a computer screen?

I think Grab On (or the Log) was right when he said you view sex as some sacred thing we can't sully with a commercial nexus.  The Virgin Mary and all that.

[derspiess]

I sympathize with Shielbh in a moral sense on this issue, but not in a legal sense.

[jimmy olsen]

Rereading that article, I am surprised about the numbers given. 400,000 prostitutes are about 1% the workforce. Under the assumption that they'll be overwhelmingly female that suggests that 1 in 50 working females is a prostitute. That sounds like the number is too high and might be inflated for political reasons. Under the assumption that most of their business will be domestic and not sex tourism, the number of 1 million customers per day also seems rather high. That would mean that adult German males visit a prostitute about ten times per year if it was perfectly evenly distributed, which I very highly doubt. I would assume that many never ever visit a prostitute, so the remaining minority (?) would have to be very regular customers.

I've seen 500,000 to 1 million thrown around for Korea, a country with only 50 million people.

[jimmy olsen]

I believe a lot of research shows that most prostitutes were abused, many started as prostitutes very young and there are links to addiction. This is a problem for social workers not police, but men buying women is a problem for the police.

[Ide]Nationalize it! Send the pimps to the gulag, centralize the business by building giant brothels and putting bureaucrats in charge. Sign them all up for pensions and health care, including mental health.[/Ide]

EDIT: Dammit, fucking beaten

[Valmy]

In what other context would it be okay for a man to sexually use a woman who has no interest in having sex (with him or in general)? Why is that okay because money's involved?

It is okay exactly 100% of the time in every context so long as she consents freely.  Why she consents is her business isn't it?

Also I was not aware 100% of Prostitution involved men buying sex with women.

[Razgovory]

Has anyone here ever hired a hooker?

[Barrister]

In what other context would it be okay for a man to sexually use a woman who has no interest in having sex (with him or in general)? Why is that okay because money's involved?

It is okay exactly 100% of the time in every context so long as she consents freely.  Why she consents is her business isn't it?

Also I was not aware 100% of Prostitution involved men buying sex with women.

It may not be 100%, but it's pretty close to it....

[Camerus]

I mostly agree with Shelf. 

For me, prostitution is a problem simply because it violates the most fundamental and arguably universal moral law, namely reciprocity or the golden rule.  What if it was your sister, mother or daughter who was working as a prostitute?  It's just not in the same league as working a boring office job or whatever.  Realistically speaking, the only girls who get into it are either addicts, victims of abuse or trafficking, girls from grinding 3rd world poverty, or some kind of combination of those factors.  Thus it feeds on previous human misery. If it were truly a legitimate choice, I wonder why we don't see more middle-class girls from happy backgrounds going into it...

[garbon]

If it were truly a legitimate choice, I wonder why we don't see more middle-class girls from happy backgrounds going into it...

Yeah because it isn't as if our society doesn't shame women for being sexually promiscuous let alone getting paid for sex.

Hell, we flip out and fire teachers if we find out they did a porno.

[garbon]

Actually, where does porn fall on this spectrum? Is it wrong to enjoy porn?

[Camerus]

If it were truly a legitimate choice, I wonder why we don't see more middle-class girls from happy backgrounds going into it...

Yeah because it isn't as if our society doesn't shame women for being sexually promiscuous let alone getting paid for sex.

Hell, we flip out and fire teachers if we find out they did a porno.

I doubt girls would be dying to work in brothels if only it weren't for the social stigma.

[garbon]

You are changing the argument though. You first posited why is it that we don't see more middle-class girls from happy backgrounds...now you are advancing some bizarre argument about people dying to work in the field.

[Ideologue]

I mostly agree with Shelf. 

For me, prostitution is a problem simply because it violates the most fundamental and arguably universal moral law, namely reciprocity or the golden rule.  What if it was your sister, mother or daughter who was working as a prostitute?

I go to a different brothel.  Yuck.

[garbon]

I mostly agree with Shelf. 

For me, prostitution is a problem simply because it violates the most fundamental and arguably universal moral law, namely reciprocity or the golden rule.  What if it was your sister, mother or daughter who was working as a prostitute?

I go to a different brothel.  Yuck.