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Started by The Minsky Moment, November 06, 2013, 02:06:33 PM

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MadImmortalMan

Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2013, 02:01:43 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 12, 2013, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on November 12, 2013, 10:45:46 AMAnd by the way, if you want to help workers get more jobs, lowering payroll tax is a much better idea (and one I support).
Agreed.

And move the taxes to land, wealth and consumption :w00t:

Won't these two, particularly the latter be deleterious to the non-wealthy classes?

Taxing land would wreck social security pensioners. Poor retired people vote, so that's not going to happen.
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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 12, 2013, 06:25:10 PM
Taxing land would wreck social security pensioners. Poor retired people vote, so that's not going to happen.

Exempt the first 1/4 acre.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 12, 2013, 06:33:20 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 12, 2013, 06:25:10 PM
Taxing land would wreck social security pensioners. Poor retired people vote, so that's not going to happen.

Exempt the first 1/4 acre.
And tax land value not the value of the property/development.
Let's bomb Russia!

Zanza

There are again calls that Germany should lessen its trade surplus/current account surplus. I always wonder what kind of policies the government could actually enact to achieve that.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Zanza on November 13, 2013, 01:48:08 PM
There are again calls that Germany should lessen its trade surplus/current account surplus. I always wonder what kind of policies the government could actually enact to achieve that.

Significant deficit spending.  Wage increases.

Zanza

Deficit spending on what? Investment in infrastructure which is most commonly cited will mostly go to German companies. As it happens, we make just about everything. I guess we could start buying a lot of Carrara marble for public buildings. 

Wage increases? For whom? The government employs about 10% of the workforce. Government employees are probably paid less than average as they get better long-term benefits. Even doubling the wages of all government employees would only increase aggregate foreign demand by a few percent at best. As most money isn't spent on imported products, but on domestic services, that percentage can't be that big. The government has no role in setting wages in the private sector in Germany (enshrined in the constitution).

Admiral Yi

It's not terribly important what you deficit spend on.  Deficit spending will increase aggregate demand, which will leak into imports, and bid up factor prices, decreasing competitiveness.

Mind you, I'm not one of those insisting Germany take steps to reduce its current account.

Zanza

Germany's current account surplus is about 6.7% of GDP though. If deficit spending just "leaks" into imports, you need to do a lot of it to make a dent. Is there any kind of empirical data how much government spending leaks into imports in an economy like Germany's?

Decreased competitiveness is only indirect and you would need a lot of deficit spending to bid up factor prices as Germany's private employers and unions are not interested in eroding the competitive basis of Germany's industry, so they'll not join into a general wage increase. There has been a remarkable restraint in the last decade and a half or so and Germans are very safety-oriented and will trade workplace safety for a wage increase.

Germany has a huge government debt of about 80% of GDP already. It has very unfavorable demographics which suggest that it will struggle in just a few years to service that debt as its workforce is currently at peak strength and is bound to decline in the next decades. You also have to consider that Germany is a democracy and there is very little support for deficit spending. And that Germans have been made to fear the future for decades and they have a very high savings quota due to that.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Zanza on November 13, 2013, 02:36:55 PM
Is there any kind of empirical data how much government spending leaks into imports in an economy like Germany's?

To be clear, I'm not only talking about the federal government buying Italian marble.  Government spending eventually ends up in the pockets of German consumers.  Those people buy olive oil and Spanish vacations.  Hence imports rise.

As for everything else, you're preaching to the choir.

Zanza

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2013, 02:40:29 PM
To be clear, I'm not only talking about the federal government buying Italian marble.  Government spending eventually ends up in the pockets of German consumers.  Those people buy olive oil and Spanish vacations.  Hence imports rise.
Sure. But Germany already has a very high import penetration rate compared to other big countries like France, the UK, the USA or Japan, meaning a much higher percentage of domestic demand is already satisfied by imports than in other big economies. And it already spends more in nominal terms than every other country but China on international tourism, so I guess there is a limit to that too.

Admiral Yi

Your point about high propensity to import reinforces my point.  That means a given euro of deficit spending would result in more imports.

And if one has more money in one's pocket, one can always spend a little more on a vacation.

Sheilbh

Here's Olli Rehn's blog on the subject. He's the Commissioner in charge of the MIP into Germany so could require changes to economic policy:
QuoteTurning Germany's surplus into a win-win for the eurozone
November 11, 2013
Germany's current account surplus has been a subject of heated debate for some time. On the one side, there are regular calls for the country to reduce its surplus through fiscal stimulus, to lift southern Europe from its doldrums. On the other side, in Germany these calls are often regarded as jealous attacks against the country's extraordinary economic performance.

Both extremes bluntly simplify a complex reality in a way that kills any serious policy debate. Especially in the current context of coalition talks in Germany about a new government programme, it is important to look at the matter in an analytical manner to provide substantive elements for a well-informed debate.

Let's look at the facts and consider what can be done in their light. For several years, Germany has run a sizeable current account surplus. Recent data indicate that the surplus has surpassed 6% of GDP in every year since 2007.

What is behind the large surplus? A key factor has been the deepening of European integration in the past ten years, since this has helped strengthen Germany's industrial competitiveness in many ways. First, the creation of the euro prevented the German exchange rate from appreciating to reflect the large surplus. Second, the integration of the production chains with central and eastern Europe allowed Germany to diversify and profit from a large pool of well-educated and cheaper labour.  And third, financial market integration and interest rate convergence drove international capital flows which mirrored these current account developments.

Equally important, adjustment channels are influenced significantly by global economic interdependence. Essentially, the eurozone is neither a small open economy nor a large closed one, but a large open economy that trades a lot with the rest of the world. Germany is specialised in products that are in demand in the rest of the world and is highly competitive on both quality and price. High savings and low investment in many sectors have contributed to the large and persistent current account surplus.

The prospect of Germany's ageing population translates today into lower consumption and higher savings for retirement. Investment should go up now because an ageing population should see the economy becoming more capital-intensive. When ageing kicks in, savings should start going down and consumption up.

Moreover, around a third of the German current account surplus can be explained by returns on assets accumulated abroad in the years before the crisis, when excess savings in Germany and other core countries were redistributed throughout the eurozone and further afield. Instead of boosting productivity-enhancing investment, which would have enhanced sustainable growth, they largely ended up fuelling the credit booms and subsequent asset and housing bubbles in recipient countries. That mispricing of risk was detrimental to both sides: the catastrophic busts that hit the peripheral economies led to losses for the German banks themselves, adding to those incurred from their investments in toxic US assets. Meanwhile, investment in Germany has fallen from 21.5% of GDP in 2000 to 17.6%, a significantly lower proportion than in other eurozone countries.

In the economic analysis that the European Commission provides for the reinforced policy coordination, we have looked at the best ways of creating a win-win outcome for both Germany and the eurozone as a whole.

Removing the bottlenecks to domestic demand would contribute to a reduction in Germany's external trade surplus. True, the increase in domestic demand has doubled in the past two years when compared to the eurozone as a whole, but it is still modest. Meanwhile, private investment is set to fall again this year.

The EU Council's recommendations to Germany, adopted in July, urge the country to open up the bottlenecks to the growth of domestic demand. In particular, Germany should create the conditions for sustained wage growth, for instance by reducing high taxes and social security contributions, especially for low-wage earners. The country should further stimulate competition in services – construction in particular, but also in certain crafts, as well as professional services – in order to boost domestic sources of growth.

There are other pressing challenges too. The energy transition requires an improved regulatory framework to unlock private investment in energy networks. Boosting investment in infrastructure will help sustain domestic demand not only in the short term, but also in the longer term via its positive impact on productivity.

All this would enhance Germany's economic performance and welfare and could help reduce the inequalities that have accumulated in recent years. But it would also have a significant positive impact on the eurozone economy. For while a rise in demand in Germany might not lead directly or immediately to a large rise in exports from southern Europe, the reforms the EU is advocating for Germany would facilitate a genuine and mutually beneficial rebalancing in the eurozone economy. Crucially, a rise in domestic demand in Germany should help to reduce upward pressure on the euro exchange rate, easing access to global markets for exporters in the periphery. To profit fully from this opportunity, there should be no easing of the drive to boost competitiveness through structural reforms.

Because these important issues deserve further analysis, the European Commission will this week need to consider whether to launch an in-depth review of the German economy in the framework of the EU's Macroeconomic Imbalances Procedure. Such a review would provide both European and German policymakers with a detailed picture of the economic challenges and opportunities facing the eurozone's largest economy.

Of course, Germany is not the only country whose policies have spillover effects on the rest of the eurozone. As the two largest eurozone economies, Germany and France together hold the key to a return to growth and employment in Europe. If Germany can take steps to lift domestic demand and investment, while France embraces reforms to its labour market, business environment and pension system to support competitiveness, they will together do a great service to the entire eurozone – providing stronger growth, creating more jobs and reducing social tensions.

A version of this article appeared in German on 11 November 2013 in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.
Let's bomb Russia!

Zanza

QuoteIn particular, Germany should create the conditions for sustained wage growth, for instance by reducing high taxes and social security contributions, especially for low-wage earners.
Ok. Income taxes are already low for low-wage earners. The 50% of the population with the lowest income paid about 5% on income tax, the 25% of the population with the lowest incomes paid just 1% of income tax on their income. So that leaves social security contributions, which are fairly high for them. I guess there is room for changing that. But sadly that won't happen. Especially pension contributions will not go down anytime soon as the party's are hostage to an ever-older electorate.

QuoteThe country should further stimulate competition in services – construction in particular, but also in certain crafts, as well as professional services – in order to boost domestic sources of growth.
Definitely.

QuoteThe energy transition requires an improved regulatory framework to unlock private investment in energy networks.
Ok. Not very popular in Germany. There were recent plebiscites that mandated e.g. the government of Hamburg to buy back the energy network into public ownership. I am also not convinced that energy networks are something that private investors should own. You can only build them with eminent domain and they seem to be a natural monopoly as it doesn't really make sense to have two energy networks next to each other.

QuoteBoosting investment in infrastructure will help sustain domestic demand not only in the short term, but also in the longer term via its positive impact on productivity.
German companies and private persons have long found it more lucrative to invest in other markets. No idea what the government could really do to change that, especially in a single market without capital controls. The company I work for deliberately invests a lot in emerging markets because they consider the German market to be saturated with the type of products we make and the strategy is to invest where market growth is expected.

Sheilbh

I was reading through that and thinking to every idea that I was sure I'd read the exact opposite being proposed in the coalition negotiations :lol:
Let's bomb Russia!

Zanza

They actually proposed any policies in that borefest? I can't be bothered to follow anymore.