11 counties to vote on seceding from Colorado because it's too liberal

[Sheilbh]

Good for them. Colorado used to have a good balance of hippies and normal people. Now there are way too many hippies that have moved in.

Yeah crazy Lettowist idiocy is what normal people do.

I think part of their problem is that it seems what counts as 'normal people' is changing.

[derspiess]

[Berkut]

Is there really any question about the legality of West Virginia?

Virginia illegally seceeded from the Union. The Richmond state government was, by definition, no longer a government of a state of the United States.

So an alternative government was formed, which was duly recognized by the United States, and said government approved of the division of the state.

Sounds pretty straightforward to me, at least as straighyforward as rebellion can be....

[Eddie Teach]

The farm subsidies are awesome.  One of those wonderful symbols of US political decadence.  A policy that everybody hates left and right...but are completely unwilling to actually get rid of.  Sort of like the minting of pennies.

Taken from a pro-penny site( ), but it appears you're wrong. 2/3 polled want to keep the penny.
http://www.pennies.org/index.php/penny-polling

[Valmy]

Taken from a pro-penny site( ), but it appears you're wrong. 2/3 polled want to keep the penny.
http://www.pennies.org/index.php/penny-polling

I meant from a policy perspective amongst those in charge.  I does say a lot that 2/3rds love Federal government waste though.

[garbon]

The farm subsidies are awesome.  One of those wonderful symbols of US political decadence.  A policy that everybody hates left and right...but are completely unwilling to actually get rid of.  Sort of like the minting of pennies.

Taken from a pro-penny site( ), but it appears you're wrong. 2/3 polled want to keep the penny.
http://www.pennies.org/index.php/penny-polling

Very strange. That article says support has never gone below 60% but then they site a gallup poll that says 55%.

[grumbler]

Taken from a pro-penny site( ), but it appears you're wrong. 2/3 polled want to keep the penny.
http://www.pennies.org/index.php/penny-polling

I meant from a policy perspective amongst those in charge.  I does say a lot that 2/3rds love Federal government waste though.

Well, if those in charge want to get rid of the penny, then I think that that is a pretty powerful argument to keep it, no?  Those in charge have fucked up a lot of stuff by getting their way.

In fact, if you took those in charge and lined them up, end to end, around the equator...





... that would be a damn fine thing.

[garbon]

Taken from a pro-penny site( ), but it appears you're wrong. 2/3 polled want to keep the penny.
http://www.pennies.org/index.php/penny-polling

I meant from a policy perspective amongst those in charge.  I does say a lot that 2/3rds love Federal government waste though.

Well, if those in charge want to get rid of the penny, then I think that that is a pretty powerful argument to keep it, no?

Not really. A lot of people opposed probably either don't like change and/or think that rounding will end up in results not in their favor - though on the face of it, I don't see why that would be true.

Besides, the split between keep and get rid of doesn't seem that sharp.  Here's the referenced gallup poll.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/23779/penny-worth-saving-say-americans.aspx

[Eddie Teach]

At any rate, there's no vast majority of penny haters nor a small and very dedicated group of single-issue voters in favor, so the analogy with farm subsidies falls apart. Most people don't care at all.

[Valmy]

Well, if those in charge want to get rid of the penny, then I think that that is a pretty powerful argument to keep it, no?

Not really.  Money exists to facilitate economic activity.  Pennies do not only not do that, they cost the US economy and government a lot of money.  So why keep dumping money into a failed policy?  If people want pennies around for sentimental reasons there are billions out there.

[Valmy]

At any rate, there's no vast majority of penny haters nor a small and very dedicated group of single-issue voters in favor, so the analogy with farm subsidies falls apart. Most people don't care at all.

The analogy was meant to be they are both symbols, to me, of political decadence.  Since it did not fit 100% I should not have made it.  My mistake.

[Eddie Teach]

Since it did not fit 100% I should not have made it.  My mistake.

If it had fit 51% or heck even 10%, I'd have left it alone. 

[Valmy]

Since it did not fit 100% I should not have made it.  My mistake.

If it had fit 51% or heck even 10%, I'd have left it alone. 

You, sir, are a wiser man than I.

[Razgovory]

Taken from a pro-penny site( ), but it appears you're wrong. 2/3 polled want to keep the penny.
http://www.pennies.org/index.php/penny-polling

I meant from a policy perspective amongst those in charge.  I does say a lot that 2/3rds love Federal government waste though.

Well, if those in charge want to get rid of the penny, then I think that that is a pretty powerful argument to keep it, no?  Those in charge have fucked up a lot of stuff by getting their way.

In fact, if you took those in charge and lined them up, end to end, around the equator...





... that would be a damn fine thing.

This is remarkably dumb statement.

[Eddie Teach]

Maybe only line them up around the watery parts?