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Social Class in America: Three Ladder System

Started by Jacob, September 05, 2013, 12:11:27 PM

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garbon

We don't need you purposefully saying silly things.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Malthus

Quote from: merithyn on September 05, 2013, 07:38:39 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 05, 2013, 05:07:11 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2013, 04:59:27 PM
Or the nephews of celebrated cultural icons. :P

Yeah, I can take that right to the bank.  :lol:

If you had no morals, you could. Just look at what Princess Diana's brother did with her. Hell, he's almost solvent now!

Naw. All I'd get, is attention from penniless graduate students working on their PhDs.  ;)
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Neil

Quote from: garbon on September 06, 2013, 07:51:20 AM
We don't need you purposefully saying silly things.
I don't think that you're qualified to judge that.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

alfred russel

It seems the further up the ladder the author gets, the more fanciful the ratings become. By the time he gets to E1, I think he is writing about a boogey man that doesn't actually exist. He is able to identify that there are 60,000 people in this group, and 18,000 live in the US. But who are these people that are actually running the world in downtime between their rape sessions of ski bunnies?

When I think of the most powerful and influential people in the US that don't have that influence tied to a specific job (which can be lost), I think of Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, T Boone Pickens, Sheldon Adelson, the Clintons, perhaps Jay Z, Oprah Winfrey, etc. That is a diverse group, but what unites all of them is the fact that they are essentially self made and have been in executive roles (if they aren't still in them).

Which makes sense when you think about it. The nature of world economic growth has meant each generation of truly rich is wealthier than the one before it, and wealth has a lot of factors to make it decline on a per person basis as it is passed through generations. If you want power but don't have the greatest wealth, you are going to need people's respect. 
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

crazy canuck

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 05, 2013, 08:10:34 PM
We've also got the judicially poor. Those people who had to suffer irrationally harsh legal sanctions that create extra barriers to success that would otherwise not be there. I'm talking about a 20 year old with a drug possession charge for having some weed or something minor like that. In the era of background checks, that crap can ruin your life for just one dumb mistake. Kinda takes away any reason they might have had to try at that point. If we didn't have an underclass, we'd manufacture one.

Agreed

dps

Quote from: Jacob on September 05, 2013, 12:11:27 PMSeems to me that pretty much everyone at languish can be placed on it

I don't think that I can.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Malthus on September 05, 2013, 02:39:54 PM
Can't speak for CC, but for me, my "clients" are in-house counsel at pharma corporations. Those are the "connections" that count. The people who own pharma corporations don't want to know me, would have exactly zero contact with me.
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For litigators, OTOH, your clients are of course anyone with litigation to do and the money to pay for it.

For big companies, it is pretty much the same: the key person to know is not BigBank CEO but the inhouse counsel responsible for disputes (for bigger disputes this could be fairly senior people but usually not the top of the C-suite)

For smaller or midsize companies it could be the principal i.e. CEO or director but again could be a GC if the position or its equivalent exists.

A significant source of business is other lawyers or service professionals who either lack the specific expertise or are conflicted out.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson