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Started by Razgovory, August 22, 2013, 08:21:48 PM

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Razgovory

August 22, 2013, 08:21:48 PM
I've been playing a lot of Crusader Kings II and have become curious on history of the Carolingian the states they set up?  Any one know some good books on the time period of Charlemagne and his successors?
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garbon

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August 22, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
Not the main focus but the INhertance of Rome has several hundred pages on the Carolingians.
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mongers

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August 22, 2013, 09:08:10 PM
Berkut seems to typify what you're after.
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Razgovory

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August 22, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 22, 2013, 09:08:10 PM
Berkut seems to typify what you're after.

God, I hope not.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Brain

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August 23, 2013, 12:33:13 AM
Christopher Lee tells the story of Charlemagne in song. You might want to check it out.
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August 23, 2013, 12:45:09 AM
:punk:

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mongers

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August 23, 2013, 09:22:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 23, 2013, 12:45:09 AM
:punk:

......

Tim, your taint ability only works one way.

So Tainted+TimmayTaint=Excellent    :(
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Valmy

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August 23, 2013, 09:26:51 AM
It seems hard to get books both on this and on the Diadokhoi even though both of those eras were not only badass but really important for what followed.  Strange.
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August 23, 2013, 09:43:08 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Debating-Middle-Ages-Issues-Readings/dp/1577180089
Covers part of the period, order it used in paperback

http://www.amazon.com/Feudal-Transformation-900-1200-Europe-Present/dp/0841911673/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377268518&sr=1-1&keywords=feudal+transformation
Classic work, a bit academic, really covers the breakdown of the Carolingian system and what came after.

http://www.amazon.com/Serf-Knight-Historian-Dominique-Barth%C3%A9lemy/dp/0801475600/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377268875&sr=1-3&keywords=dominique+barthelemy
Again focus is on the period of the Carolingian breakdown.

Sorry couldn't be more helpful, my interest has been more in the periods preceding and following the Carolingian empire.
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Malthus

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August 23, 2013, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 23, 2013, 09:26:51 AM
It seems hard to get books both on this and on the Diadokhoi even though both of those eras were not only badass but really important for what followed.  Strange.

The problem with the wars of the successors is that they were fractially complex.  :D
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The Minsky Moment

#11
August 23, 2013, 02:50:05 PM
Almost forgot:
Julia Smith's, Europe After Rome   http://www.amazon.com/Europe-after-Rome-Cultural-500-1000/dp/0192892630/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1377287250&sr=8-3&keywords=julia+smith
Broader coverage than your are looking for and a quirky book, but an interesting take on the Carolingians.
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The Minsky Moment

#12
August 23, 2013, 03:03:41 PM
For military matters:
http://www.amazon.com/Early-Carolingian-Warfare-Prelude-Empire/dp/0812221443/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377288133&sr=8-1&keywords=bachrach+carolingian
On my wish list; haven't read yet, but he is supposed to be a specialist in this area.
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Ed Anger

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August 23, 2013, 05:29:18 PM
I don't know if there are any books on Oscar Meyer.
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August 23, 2013, 06:46:13 PM
What are the ref tags for minsky? You have a side gig?
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