Arab Spring, Round 2

[Tamas]

To preserve the legacy of the Arab Spring, some general needs to take charge of the situation, marginalize Muslim Brotherhood, and bring some order for the next few decades.

I see what you did there!

[garbon]

I presume that is from Arab Spring, Round 1.

I've seen some internet murmurings from Egyptians pissed at Obama for foisting Morsi (sp?) on them.

Is that a fact?  I thought he was the Muslim Brotherhood dude who won the election.  How did Obama foist him on them?  I am sure he did in some weird way that is not obvious to me.

A quick google search says that the US has been accused of being the main supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood

[Admiral Yi]

Is that a fact?  I thought he was the Muslim Brotherhood dude who won the election.  How did Obama foist him on them?  I am sure he did in some weird way that is not obvious to me.

You're asking me to explain the thinking of insane people?

[Razgovory]

Is that a fact?  I thought he was the Muslim Brotherhood dude who won the election.  How did Obama foist him on them?  I am sure he did in some weird way that is not obvious to me.

You're asking me to explain the thinking of insane people?

Oh, come on, you do it all the time.

[Admiral Yi]

 

[Valmy]

Is that a fact?  I thought he was the Muslim Brotherhood dude who won the election.  How did Obama foist him on them?  I am sure he did in some weird way that is not obvious to me.

You're asking me to explain the thinking of insane people?

Ah.  I thought it was something we actually did not some insano conspiracy theory.  Because I have a feeling Obama would have preferred they voted for somebody other than the Muslim Brotherhood.

[DGuller]

You're asking me to explain the thinking of insane people?

Oh, come on, you do it all the time.

[Valmy]

A quick google search says that the US has been accused of being the main supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood

Well I think we should do all we can to convince as many people as possible that the Muslim Brotherhood is the tool of the United States.

[Sheilbh]

Is that a fact?  I thought he was the Muslim Brotherhood dude who won the election.  How did Obama foist him on them?  I am sure he did in some weird way that is not obvious to me.

The US has got a lot of blame for Morsi and the MB, especially from secularists. I've even seen Egyptian campaigners citing Republicans moaning about Obama supporting Morsi as an example

In fairness conspiracy theories in Arab politics aren't that insane, they're often as accurate a description of what's going on as anything else. In this case and many others they're wrong, but the mindset exists for a reason.

[Siege]

Islam and democracy cannot cohexist.

[Admiral Yi]

In fairness conspiracy theories in Arab politics aren't that insane, they're often as accurate a description of what's going on as anything else. In this case and many others they're wrong, but the mindset exists for a reason.

[Razgovory]

Looks like they listen to Glenn Beck as well.

[Razgovory]

In fairness conspiracy theories in Arab politics aren't that insane, they're often as accurate a description of what's going on as anything else. In this case and many others they're wrong, but the mindset exists for a reason.

Yeah, that thing about how the Mossad was releasing sharks to attack Egyptian swimmers was probably spot on.   Or the man eating badgers the British let lose in Iraq.

[Viking]

Is that a fact?  I thought he was the Muslim Brotherhood dude who won the election.  How did Obama foist him on them?  I am sure he did in some weird way that is not obvious to me.

The US has got a lot of blame for Morsi and the MB, especially from secularists. I've even seen Egyptian campaigners citing Republicans moaning about Obama supporting Morsi as an example

In fairness conspiracy theories in Arab politics aren't that insane, they're often as accurate a description of what's going on as anything else. In this case and many others they're wrong, but the mindset exists for a reason.

This is why shelf is always wrong on mid-east issues.

Just this week.

- the Muslim Brotherhood are American Stooges
-  were behind the Gezi Park Protests
- Israel is behind the Syrian Rebels


Conspiracies do happen from time to time. It's just that conspiracy theories never ever ever get any of the facts right. The only thing relevant about conspiracy theories is what they tell you about the conspiracy theorists and their relations to facts and reason. David Aaronovich and Daniel Pipes have written on the topic and unlike shelf, they got it right.

You need to be a conspiracy theorist to think that HAMAS is really moderate and secular and the Brotherhood are the muslim equivalent of Christian Democrats.

[Razgovory]

Conspiracies do happen from time to time. It's just that conspiracy theories never ever ever get any of the facts right. The only thing relevant about conspiracy theories is what they tell you about the conspiracy theorists and their relations to facts and reason. David Aaronovich and Daniel Pipes have written on the topic and unlike shelf, they got it right.

Wait, you are using Daniel Pipes as an example of anti-conspiracy theories?  The guy who tells us the Obama is an ex-Muslim?