Supreme Court: Section 4 of Voting Rights Act Unconstitutional

[Razgovory]

Nope, but it needs to change.

Okay, why then?  If the means to ascertain the eligibility to vote in the past were sufficient why are the ones now insufficient?

[11B4V]

Nope, but it needs to change.

Okay, why then?  If the means to ascertain the eligibility to vote in the past were sufficient why are the ones now insufficient?

To prove who you are.

[Razgovory]

Nope, but it needs to change.

Okay, why then?  If the means to ascertain the eligibility to vote in the past were sufficient why are the ones now insufficient?

To prove who you are.

No, why does it need to change?  You have already indicated that in the past elections were valid so presumably people could prove who they were.  So the "prove who you are" hurdle has been passed.

[11B4V]

Nope, but it needs to change.

Okay, why then?  If the means to ascertain the eligibility to vote in the past were sufficient why are the ones now insufficient?

To prove who you are.

No, why does it need to change?  You have already indicated that in the past elections were valid so presumably people could prove who they were.  So the "prove who you are" hurdle has been passed.

Apparently the hurdle is not passed. If the hurdle was past all states would require picture ID.

[Razgovory]

Nope, but it needs to change.

Okay, why then?  If the means to ascertain the eligibility to vote in the past were sufficient why are the ones now insufficient?

To prove who you are.

No, why does it need to change?  You have already indicated that in the past elections were valid so presumably people could prove who they were.  So the "prove who you are" hurdle has been passed.

Apparently the hurdle is not passed. If the hurdle was past all states would require picture ID.

That's some impressive circular reasoning.    Was the last election valid?  If no voter ID laws are passed between now in 2014 will the next election be valid?

[11B4V]

Nope, but it needs to change.

Okay, why then?  If the means to ascertain the eligibility to vote in the past were sufficient why are the ones now insufficient?

To prove who you are.

No, why does it need to change?  You have already indicated that in the past elections were valid so presumably people could prove who they were.  So the "prove who you are" hurdle has been passed.

Apparently the hurdle is not passed. If the hurdle was past all states would require picture ID.

  Was the last election valid?  If no voter ID laws are passed between now in 2014 will the next election be valid?

Of course, but it needs to change.

[Razgovory]

They are valid but they still need to change?  That doesn't really make sense, unless you don't want them to be valid. Is this "prove who you are" thing actually related to elections and voting or is this just some personal thing where you want everyone to carry a picture ID with them at all times.   Cause at this point it doesn't seem linked anymore.

Here's what I'm seeing: US elections have been valid.  They are currently valid.  They will be valid next time if nobody does anything.  We should change the election laws so that you must "prove who you are".   The last part isn't follow from the rest.

[Jacob]

I know what you look like.  You don't have to show me what you look like.  Election officials dont' know what you look like.  And your bank statement doesn't tell them what you look like either.

Why does it matter what you look like when you're voting?

[Jacob]

The other side is trying to protect people from having their votes suppressed.  If there are hysterics there, it's from the dismay that in this day and age fellow American citizens can still be so shamelessly cynical, and that so many are willing to surrender this country's values for partisan gain.

Yeah, exactly.

Now, if all these "photo ID to vote" also advocated putting significant resources and effort into providing acceptable ID to the millions who do not have them they might have a convincing case. But as long as their main response to people talking about the practical obstacles is "lol is it really hard  " and "well, if they're too lazy to do even that then it's their own fault" then they're not going to shake the stink of partisan voter suppression.

[Admiral Yi]

Why does it matter what you look like when you're voting?

No one said it did.  Well, Before implied it. Ask him.

I was responding to Raz' comment that he already shows who he is when he votes.

Now my question for you is, if I point out to Raz that in fact he does not show who he is, how does it lead to your question about mattering?  What's the train of thought?  What's the logical progression that gets you from point A to point B?

[11B4V]

They are valid but they still need to change?  That doesn't really make sense, unless you don't want them to be valid. Is this "prove who you are" thing actually related to elections and voting or is this just some personal thing where you want everyone to carry a picture ID with them at all times.   Cause at this point it doesn't seem linked anymore.

Here's what I'm seeing: US elections have been valid.  They are currently valid.  They will be valid next time if nobody does anything.  We should change the election laws so that you must "prove who you are".   The last part isn't follow from the rest.

You think it doesnt need to change..cool beans on you.

I think it needs to change.

[Jacob]

No one said it did.  Well, Before implied it. Ask him.

I was responding to Raz' comment that he already shows who he is when he votes.

Now my question for you is, if I point out to Raz that in fact he does not show who he is, how does it lead to your question about mattering?  What's the train of thought?  What's the logical progression that gets you from point A to point B?

So far, the most coherent argument that has been given in this thread for requiring ID to vote is so that voters can "show what they look like."

I'm trying to find out why that matters. Maybe you can help me out?

[Jacob]

I think it needs to change.

Why?

[11B4V]

I think it needs to change.

Why?

To prove who you are.

[Admiral Yi]

So far, the most coherent argument that has been given in this thread for requiring ID to vote is so that voters can "show what they look like."

I'm trying to find out why that matters. Maybe you can help me out?

That's not answering my question.  How did you get from my assertion that Raz is not showing who he is to "it matters that he show who he is?"