Women as Army Rangers and Navy Seals by 2016

[Neil]

Combat effectiveness and national security take a back seat to things like people's self-esteem.

Not sure why combat effectiveness would suffer if minimum standards are created to maintain such effectiveness.  Not sure what national security has to do with the issue.  Cant think of the last last female that pulled a Snowden.

I think he's working under the assumption that the standards that they set would have to be lowered for women to get in, which isn't entirely unreasonable.

[crazy canuck]

Combat effectiveness and national security take a back seat to things like people's self-esteem.

Not sure why combat effectiveness would suffer if minimum standards are created to maintain such effectiveness.  Not sure what national security has to do with the issue.  Cant think of the last last female that pulled a Snowden.

I think he's working under the assumption that the standards that they set would have to be lowered for women to get in, which isn't entirely unreasonable.

Not sure why that assumption would be made.

The difficulty with the early cases where standards were set for the entry of women (which mainly took place in the context of firefighters) was that the standard had nothing to do with an analysis of what the minimum physical requirement might be to get the job done properly but rather an analysis was made of what the average male firefighter could achieve.

Courts in Canada and iirc the US rejected this kind of measurement as meaningless as a test of minimum standards and sent employers back to create meaningful measures of what a minimum standards should be to achieve whatever objective the employer had.

It may be that no female could meet a minimum standard for an elite fighting force.  But I am not sure why giving them the opportunity to meet the stardard would jeapardize the effectiveness of the force since the standard would be set at the level needed to maintain that effectiveness.

[The Minsky Moment]

So true but eventually the hysterical homophobes will fade away and we won't have to lose valuable gay servicemen.

Are gays especially valuable to you?

To my country.

[Ed Anger]

Special forces need whores too.

[derspiess]

Not sure why that assumption would be made.

Because there's precedent.  US Army Airborne School used to be very tough, but now it's a joke.

[crazy canuck]

Not sure why that assumption would be made.

Because there's precedent.  US Army Airborne School used to be very tough, but now it's a joke.

Try reading the rest of my post

[derspiess]

Not sure why that assumption would be made.

Because there's precedent.  US Army Airborne School used to be very tough, but now it's a joke.

Try reading the rest of my post

Okay. 

Done!

[Neil]

So true but eventually the hysterical homophobes will fade away and we won't have to lose valuable gay servicemen.

Are gays especially valuable to you?

To my country.

The your country has made a critical error, setting gays above people.

[The Brain]

Navy Seals show secret stuff to videogame developers. I'm sure a woman can do that just fine.

[Phillip V]

More women in the Army will increase my promotion potential and happiness.

[mongers]

I'm happy for the military and naval forces to maintain or adopt whatever culture/traditions they feel are most effective in maintaining their esprit do corps and enables them to fight at their most efficient.   

[Eddie Teach]

So true but eventually the hysterical homophobes will fade away and we won't have to lose valuable gay servicemen.

Are gays especially valuable to you?

To my country.

Not so much the gay servicemen as the principle.

[garbon]

So true but eventually the hysterical homophobes will fade away and we won't have to lose valuable gay servicemen.

Are gays especially valuable to you?

To my country.

Not so much the gay servicemen as the principle.

The principle that you can die for a country that won't recognize your relationships? Great principle.

[Eddie Teach]

Nah, I guess the real principle is "give an inch and they'll take a mile" 

[Neil]

The principle that you can die for a country that won't recognize your relationships? Great principle.

Maybe they should adopt more socially constructive relationships.  The drug addict can die for the country that doesn't approve of his hobbies too.