2016 elections - because it's never too early

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garbon

#10560
May 28, 2016, 10:42:26 AM
Oh I think it is fine if he wants to stay out the primaries. I do think though he should be toning down the rhetoric as a natural lead up to defeat, not getting shriller.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
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garbon

#10561
May 28, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
And to be sure, I don't get his plan. If he were say, supporting a lot of younger liberal candidates that would gain from his support and increased influence, I could see that...but as far as I know, he hasn't been doing that. I don't really understand then what his increased influence is being focused at / how it will be used.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Capetan Mihali

#10562
May 28, 2016, 11:24:31 AM
Well, I honestly think his plan was (and is): win.  And while it may not be such a strategically oriented plan right now, it's that plan that got him this far, so it's hard to say it was a bad plan.  The DNC will certainly remember this primary season for some time coming, and I do think it will be an inspiration for more openly left-wing, even openly socialist candidates to run aggressive campaigns. 

And that's one of the many reasons Sanders 2016 is so different than Nader 2000.  Nader never ran to win on the Green Party ticket, at best to clear the threshold in more states to stay or get on the ballot, but really as a protest vote. 

While Sanders has always (except for the very beginning) run like he is intent on actually becoming the Democratic nominee and actually becoming President.  I have no reason to doubt he sincerely wants to win and thinks he can win -- his primary challenge was never really a protest attempt to pull Hillary left but a genuine run for office.  And while he's gotten way closer to it than I (or anyone else) ever expected, I think it is going to be hard for him ease into a gradual, perhaps "strategic" defeat after he has fought so hard to actually win.
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Jaron

#10563
May 28, 2016, 04:22:42 PM
Vote for Sanders! Get all the free stuff.
Winner of THE grumbler point.

Capetan Mihali

#10564
May 28, 2016, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: Jaron on May 28, 2016, 04:22:42 PM
Vote for Sanders! Get all the free stuff.

ClintonCrybabe needs more troll rattle? :weep: :yuk:
"The internet's completely over. [...] The internet's like MTV. At one time MTV was hip and suddenly it became outdated. Anyway, all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you."
-- Prince, 2010. (R.I.P.)

Valmy

#10565
May 28, 2016, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on May 28, 2016, 03:51:23 AM
I don't know, the candidate who lost badly to Obama in the primaries somehow ended up his Secretary of State, so stranger things have happened. :hmm:

It was lucky for her that Obama had just read 'Team of Rivals' :P otherwise that probably would have been the end of her career.

But bizarrely she did get more votes than he did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008

For whatever votes are worth in Primaries.
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Phillip V

#10566
May 28, 2016, 11:04:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 28, 2016, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on May 28, 2016, 03:51:23 AM
I don't know, the candidate who lost badly to Obama in the primaries somehow ended up his Secretary of State, so stranger things have happened. :hmm:

It was lucky for her that Obama had just read 'Team of Rivals' :P otherwise that probably would have been the end of her career.

But bizarrely she did get more votes than he did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008

For whatever votes are worth in Primaries.

Obama gamed the caucus system for delegates and stole the nomination from the more popular Clinton.

Jaron

#10567
May 29, 2016, 12:10:33 AM
Winner of THE grumbler point.

Martinus

#10568
May 29, 2016, 12:45:13 AM
FWIW, even Bill Maher has said on his last show that the email story has "moved on significantly" since the time he was dismissing it as non-consequential. As with most Clinton scandals, it's not any more about what they did in the first place, but how they lied and schemed to cover it up subsequently.

Jaron

#10569
May 29, 2016, 01:11:10 AM
"Even Bill Maher" - what does that mean?
Winner of THE grumbler point.

Zanza

#10570
May 29, 2016, 02:11:18 AM
Bill Maher and Milo are the two authorities on all things political in America. Didn't you know?

Martinus

#10571
May 29, 2016, 08:23:44 AM
They probably do not agree on a single thing (with a possible exception of freedom of speech) so I am not sure how that works, Zanza. Care you enlighten me?

Personally, I like to watch several different (often vastly diverse) sources - from Bill O'Reilly to Bill Maher to Young Turks - and make up my own mind.

We all know that political infotainment is largely partisan, so the fact that Bill O'Reilly or Milo make a big deal out of Clinton's emails is not news - the fact that Maher does is.

CountDeMoney

#10572
May 29, 2016, 09:41:27 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on May 28, 2016, 11:24:31 AM
Well, I honestly think his plan was (and is): win.  And while it may not be such a strategically oriented plan right now, it's that plan that got him this far, so it's hard to say it was a bad plan.  The DNC will certainly remember this primary season for some time coming, and I do think it will be an inspiration for more openly left-wing, even openly socialist candidates to run aggressive campaigns. 

And that's one of the many reasons Sanders 2016 is so different than Nader 2000.  Nader never ran to win on the Green Party ticket, at best to clear the threshold in more states to stay or get on the ballot, but really as a protest vote. 

While Sanders has always (except for the very beginning) run like he is intent on actually becoming the Democratic nominee and actually becoming President.  I have no reason to doubt he sincerely wants to win and thinks he can win -- his primary challenge was never really a protest attempt to pull Hillary left but a genuine run for office.  And while he's gotten way closer to it than I (or anyone else) ever expected, I think it is going to be hard for him ease into a gradual, perhaps "strategic" defeat after he has fought so hard to actually win.

You know, I can appreciate Sanders and his quest for glory.  I mean, after all, he was always there in the upper right hand corner, pushing the same message that nobody ever listened to, everybody brushed off as "that socialist guy in Vermont" like he was some sort of Jeopardy! clue...and now, finally, when he has a national audience.  People are listening.  And this was his first, his only, and his last shot at selling his message, the message he's always carried, to a responsive electorate. I can appreciate that.

But now, he's just coming across as an angry nasty ass old Jew, Larry Daviding up the whole thing and being that asshole in the register line, holding everybody the fuck up because he's arguing over an expired coupon.
   
He needs to let it go.  It's over.  It's been over.  It was a good run, and there are no losses more painful that those that bring you closest to that brass ring after a lifetime of work in obscurity.  But he needs to forget the fucking coupon already.

garbon

#10573
May 29, 2016, 10:42:15 AM
:yes:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

#10574
May 29, 2016, 04:14:25 PM
meanwhile Newsweek has opined that the Clinton email scandal still isnt a scandal.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.
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