The Gay Legal Rulings Thread

[garbon]

Yeah but it isn't true of most "Canadians". If it were, passing wouldn't be a phenomena.

... oh... is this the "Canadian" = slang for "Black" thing?

Yeah.

Well then. Okay.

Teach brought it up so I just played along.

[fhdz]

I'm not sure that you'd need to pass a law legalizing gay marriage. You would, however, need to ensure that no state could pass or retain a law *banning* gay marriage, rather like how no state can pass a law which discriminates against black folks, for example.

Glad to hear that we've legalized black folks.

[garbon]

I'm not sure that you'd need to pass a law legalizing gay marriage. You would, however, need to ensure that no state could pass or retain a law *banning* gay marriage, rather like how no state can pass a law which discriminates against black folks, for example.

Glad to hear that we've legalized black folks.

Well you used a negative counterexample, as in taking away an ability (in your example - discrimination), whereas Valm's was taking about the granting of something, a positive.  I don't think what you've said is right as if a state doesn't have a new law/court decision enabling gay marriage, the default is that it doesn't have it. That's why instituting bans about gay marriage are really more about locking in a historical attitude for the future as most* states that banned it, didn't have it to begin with.

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[fhdz]

See in my opinion the given should be that two consenting adults should be able to marry; laws which attempt to curtail this are discriminatory and should not be allowed. It's not so much "we recognize that two people can get married" as it is "no one should have the ability to tell these two people they can't get married".

In my mind, anyway.

I prefer the negative counterexamples; the default should always be that a human being is a human being, period and without qualification.

[garbon]

But unrealistic for the world we live in. Unless we say gay marriage is allowed, it isn't.

[Caliga]

I agree with both of you.

[garbon]

Now New Zealand.

Hopefully Valmy doesn't post about me looking down on that island nation.

[Syt]

NZ MP speaks out for Gay Marriage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gl8oKO7BAuU

[Sheilbh]

NZ MP speaks out for Gay Marriage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gl8oKO7BAuU

I love Kiwis

[The Brain]

 

[garbon]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-gay-marriage-water-cannon-police-legions-19020308#.UXa4ZrWceSo

France legalized gay marriage on Tuesday after a wrenching national debate and protests that flooded the streets of Paris. Legions of officers and water cannon stood ready near France's National Assembly ahead of the final vote, bracing for possible violence on an issue that galvanized the country's faltering conservative movement.

The measure passed easily in the Socialist-majority Assembly, 331-225, just minutes after the president of the legislative body expelled a disruptive protester in pink, the color adopted by French opponents of gay marriage.

"Only those who love democracy are here," Claude Bartelone, the Assembly president, said angrily.

In recent weeks, violent attacks against gay couples have spiked and some legislators have received threats — including Bartelone, who got a gunpowder-filled envelope on Monday.

One of the biggest protests against same-sex marriage drew together hundreds of thousands of people bused in from the French provinces — conservative activists, schoolchildren with their parents, retirees, priests and others. That demonstration ended in blasts of tear gas, as right-wing rabble-rousers, some in masks and hoods, led the charge against police, damaging cars along the Champs-Elysees avenue and making a break for the presidential palace.

Justice Minister Christiane Taubira told lawmakers that the first weddings could be as soon as June.

...

Add France to the list.

[Malthus]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-gay-marriage-water-cannon-police-legions-19020308#.UXa4ZrWceSo

France legalized gay marriage on Tuesday after a wrenching national debate and protests that flooded the streets of Paris. Legions of officers and water cannon stood ready near France's National Assembly ahead of the final vote, bracing for possible violence on an issue that galvanized the country's faltering conservative movement.

The measure passed easily in the Socialist-majority Assembly, 331-225, just minutes after the president of the legislative body expelled a disruptive protester in pink, the color adopted by French opponents of gay marriage.

"Only those who love democracy are here," Claude Bartelone, the Assembly president, said angrily.

In recent weeks, violent attacks against gay couples have spiked and some legislators have received threats — including Bartelone, who got a gunpowder-filled envelope on Monday.

One of the biggest protests against same-sex marriage drew together hundreds of thousands of people bused in from the French provinces — conservative activists, schoolchildren with their parents, retirees, priests and others. That demonstration ended in blasts of tear gas, as right-wing rabble-rousers, some in masks and hoods, led the charge against police, damaging cars along the Champs-Elysees avenue and making a break for the presidential palace.

Justice Minister Christiane Taubira told lawmakers that the first weddings could be as soon as June.

...

Add France to the list.

Wait, people protesting *against* gay marriage wear pink? 

[garbon]

Well yeah there is something odd with those protesters. Look at these individuals against gay marriage.

[crazy canuck]

I guess they are upset their partners are going to want to get married now

[Malthus]

Well yeah there is something odd with those protesters. Look at these individuals against gay marriage.

I can only conclude it is the "marriage" part they are protesting against.