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[Barrister]

problem is of course that say that mohammed was a warmongering slaver is slander to some, even if he actually was a warmongering slaver. And not a prophet at all (as obviously he can only be a prophet to muslims)

All religions are in and of themselves insulting to all other religions. In the case of Muhammed if not for divine permission and divine command ethics then he is a monster. There isn't a single criminal law that he didn't break in his lifetime and he was given license for all of this by god. To rephrase C.S. Lewis' alliterative Lunatic Liar or Lord trichotomy, he is either a Prophetic, Psychiatric or Pedophile.

I don't think there was a firm rule of law in the Arabian peninsula in the 7th century...

[Valmy]

I'm not sure I'm equipped to judge the level of monstrosity of a god.

Well the level of monstrousness in the content of a god's commands might be a consideration if you plan on following said god's commands.

[garbon]

I'm not sure I'm equipped to judge the level of monstrosity of a god.

Well the level of monstrousness in the content of a god's commands might be a consideration if you plan on following said god's commands.

Seems to me that if you believed a god exists and you think a god is monstrous, you'd be better served by obeying.

[Jacob]

Seems to me that if you believed a god exists and you think a god is monstrous, you'd be better served by obeying.

Screw that.

[garbon]

Seems to me that if you believed a god exists and you think a god is monstrous, you'd be better served by obeying.

Screw that.

Really? I mean I guess one could take some sort of moral stand but it seems like one would want to avoid the wrath of said god which would likely be incurred by ignoring the god's commands.

[Malthus]

I don't see why that follows. I mean a person may do bad things that end up being good for most - and doesn't have to be a monster simply because he didn't actually receive said instructions from God.

I would think whether or not one was a monster is unrelated to whether or not said atrocities occured by divine order.  After all if they did that just means you chose to follow a monstrous god.

[Viking]

I don't see why that follows. I mean a person may do bad things that end up being good for most - and doesn't have to be a monster simply because he didn't actually receive said instructions from God.

I would think whether or not one was a monster is unrelated to whether or not said atrocities occured by divine order.  After all if they did that just means you chose to follow a monstrous god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_command_theory

[Neil]

Seems to me that if you believed a god exists and you think a god is monstrous, you'd be better served by obeying.

Screw that.

That's easy for you to say, coming from a place where we've disproved the existence of gods.

[Razgovory]

Seems to me that if you believed a god exists and you think a god is monstrous, you'd be better served by obeying.

Screw that.

Really? I mean I guess one could take some sort of moral stand but it seems like one would want to avoid the wrath of said god which would likely be incurred by ignoring the god's commands.

It's like taking a moral stand against gravity.

[Eddie Teach]

It's like taking a moral stand against gravity.

So God is a fickle entity, wont to change its mind at any given moment? 

[Jacob]

That's easy for you to say, coming from a place where we've disproved the existence of gods.

Well put

[Jacob]

It's like taking a moral stand against gravity.

No, it's like taking a moral stand against a cruel, totalitarian despot.

[garbon]

It's like taking a moral stand against gravity.

No, it's like taking a moral stand against a cruel, totalitarian despot.

Would appear an irrelevant moral stand as you'd have no hope of making change. Even if everyone stood up, said god could just wipe you all out and start fresh.

[Jacob]

Would appear an irrelevant moral stand as you'd have no hope of making change. Even if everyone stood up, said god could just wipe you all out and start fresh.

Freeeeeeeeeedom!

[Razgovory]

It's like taking a moral stand against gravity.

No, it's like taking a moral stand against a cruel, totalitarian despot.

But in this case the cruel totalitarian despot is a force of nature.  It can make sense to stand up against another human being, or even a human government.  A human being be convinced or killed, and a government can be toppled.  Making a moral stand against the universe because you don't like the rules doesn't make any sense.