Reuters: US ambassador to Libya dead

[FunkMonk]

Texas House Republicans are so adorable sometimes. 

[derspiess]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/25/161739302/obama-chris-stevens-and-those-like-him-must-determine-worlds-future

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."

[dps]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/25/161739302/obama-chris-stevens-and-those-like-him-must-determine-worlds-future

“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”

Dude, even I'm going to call BS on taking that quote out of context.

[derspiess]

Just seems like a weird thing for him to say, whatever the context.

[CountDeMoney]

He was referencing individuals in the Muddled Eastern countries.

"It is time to leave the call of violence and the politics of division behind. On so many issues, we face a choice between the promise of the future or the prisons of the past, and we cannot afford to get it wrong. We must seize this moment, and America stands ready to work with all who are willing to embrace a better future.

The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt. It must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted, "Muslims, Christians, we are one." The future must not belong to those who bully women. It must be shaped by girls who go to school and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons.

(APPLAUSE)

The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country's resources. It must be won by the students and entrepreneurs, the workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the women and men that America stands with. There's is the vision we will support.

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied.

(APPLAUSE)

Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims and Shia pilgrims. It's time to heed the words of Gandhi, "Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit." "

I watched the speech, didn't strike me as anything weird.  Of course, it'll be in a Crossroads USA commercial by the evening news.

[DGuller]

Just seems like a weird thing for him to say, whatever the context.

To you, Obama saying "Good morning!" will sound like a weird thing to say.

[derspiess]

Just seems like a weird thing for him to say, whatever the context.

To you, Obama saying "Good morning!" will sound like a weird thing to say.

If he said it to me, yeah.

[Malthus]

Just seems like a weird thing for him to say, whatever the context.

To you, Obama saying "Good morning!" will sound like a weird thing to say.

What's so good about it? That millions of Americans are out of work? Is that what passes for "good" in Obama-speak? 

[DGuller]

Just seems like a weird thing for him to say, whatever the context.

To you, Obama saying "Good morning!" will sound like a weird thing to say.

If he said it to me, yeah.

Touche.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

problem is of course that say that mohammed was a warmongering slaver is slander to some, even if he actually was a warmongering slaver. And not a prophet at all (as obviously he can only be a prophet to muslims)

[garbon]

I watched the speech, didn't strike me as anything weird.  Of course, it'll be in a Crossroads USA commercial by the evening news.

Doesn't strike me as weird though I do wonder why in those countries why the future must not belong to those who slander Muhammad.  If anything that seems better than what we have now.

[Viking]

problem is of course that say that mohammed was a warmongering slaver is slander to some, even if he actually was a warmongering slaver. And not a prophet at all (as obviously he can only be a prophet to muslims)

All religions are in and of themselves insulting to all other religions. In the case of Muhammed if not for divine permission and divine command ethics then he is a monster. There isn't a single criminal law that he didn't break in his lifetime and he was given license for all of this by god. To rephrase C.S. Lewis' alliterative Lunatic Liar or Lord trichotomy, he is either a Prophetic, Psychiatric or Pedophile.

[garbon]

problem is of course that say that mohammed was a warmongering slaver is slander to some, even if he actually was a warmongering slaver. And not a prophet at all (as obviously he can only be a prophet to muslims)

All religions are in and of themselves insulting to all other religions. In the case of Muhammed if not for divine permission and divine command ethics then he is a monster. There isn't a single criminal law that he didn't break in his lifetime and he was given license for all of this by god. To rephrase C.S. Lewis' alliterative Lunatic Liar or Lord trichotomy, he is either a Prophetic, Psychiatric or Pedophile.

I don't see why that follows. I mean a person may do bad things that end up being good for most - and doesn't have to be a monster simply because he didn't actually receive said instructions from God.

[Valmy]

I don't see why that follows. I mean a person may do bad things that end up being good for most - and doesn't have to be a monster simply because he didn't actually receive said instructions from God.

I would think whether or not one was a monster is unrelated to whether or not said atrocities occured by divine order.  After all if they did that just means you chose to follow a monstrous god.

[garbon]

I don't see why that follows. I mean a person may do bad things that end up being good for most - and doesn't have to be a monster simply because he didn't actually receive said instructions from God.

I would think whether or not one was a monster is unrelated to whether or not said atrocities occured by divine order.  After all if they did that just means you chose to follow a monstrous god.

I'm not sure I'm equipped to judge the level of monstrosity of a god.