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Voter ID controversy

Started by Martinus, August 17, 2012, 01:44:44 AM

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derspiess

Quote from: crazy canuck on August 20, 2012, 10:26:25 AM
The fact that these laws are being passed in the US does not at all diminish my ability to feel superior.

Women's Olympic soccer, however, seems to be the magic bullet :lol:
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DGuller

Abby Wambach scored that penalty shot fair and square!

CountDeMoney

Calling a spade a spade.

QuoteA top Ohio Republican Sunday stood by his comment that the state's voting procedures shouldn't be "contort[ed] to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine."

In an interview with BuzzFeed, Franklin County GOP Chairman Doug Preisse, a close ally of Governor John Kasich, said his comment — which provoked Democratic outrage — was simply straight talk.

Democrats "are trying to say that I had somehow consciously constrained hours for that purpose," Preisse said. "No, I am saying the opposite, that I am asking the question, and I am indeed questioning how far this process of democratic, small 'd', democratic voting process should be contorted to favor a political operation. I don't think we should go overboard in doing that."

Preisse's comment to today's Columbus Dispatch were taken as a smoking gun by Democrats and progressives, who said — as one liberal Ohio blogger wrote — that Preisse had acknowledged an effort to "suppress black voters."

Preisse scoffed at the criticism, telling BuzzFeed of a disputed voting plan put forth by Republican Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, "I believe it should be easy to vote, and I believe that under this plan it is.

"I believe that Republicans and Democrats of good will can have a difference of opinion, an honest difference of opinion here, but I also believe that there is no question that the forces of Obama and the other side of the aisle would love to just throw the barn doors open and have 24-hour voting and just go too far in the other direction," Preisse said. "It seems to me we can have a reasonable discussion about this."

Ideologue

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 20, 2012, 09:21:07 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 20, 2012, 09:12:31 AM
Guys, I know all the "arguments" against the voter ID requirement - I watch the Daily Show. The thing is, they are just not convincing. The fact that voting fraud is so rare is not a good argument, really - I find it surprising but in itself it's as good an argument as the one saying you shouldn't get health insurance if you have never been sick before. And the inconvenience for the too stupid or too lazy to get a free ID card is not really convincing either.

The vast majority of the civil rights organizations fully support voter ID card initiatives, believe it or not, and they have since the 1960s;  hell, a lot of the southern states have enacted voter ID laws since 2011 have done so with several years' run-up, preparation and education.  Nobody has a problem with that.  However, some of these recent legislative initiatives are designed to impact this year's election in a real fucking hurry, designed specifically to cause havoc and administrative nightmares for voters, and that's where the problem is. 

Too stupid or lazy to get a free ID card?   The fact that this nation does not, nor has it ever, required anybody to have an "ID card" shows how fucked up you eastern Europeans think.  Now, I know your concept of democracy is less than a generation old, and you fucking eastern bloc retards can be forgiven for knowing very little about it, so we'll just go ahead and ignore your Jew-hating opinions.

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Ideologue

Quote from: Syt on August 20, 2012, 10:07:04 AM
Dunno, garbon is for me more like


Exactly my image.

What the hell is "rabbiting"?
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Ideologue on August 20, 2012, 08:51:01 PM
We exterminated cities full of Nazis and expended around 15% of our GDP every year over half a century, and our grand achievement is that Martinus can post on the Internet.

Well, Tamas can post too.  :hmm:
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 20, 2012, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 20, 2012, 08:51:01 PM
We exterminated cities full of Nazis and expended around 15% of our GDP every year over half a century, and our grand achievement is that Martinus can post on the Internet.

Well, Tamas can post too.  :hmm:

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DGuller

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 20, 2012, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 20, 2012, 08:51:01 PM
We exterminated cities full of Nazis and expended around 15% of our GDP every year over half a century, and our grand achievement is that Martinus can post on the Internet.

Well, Tamas can post too.  :hmm:
Is that supposed to be a counterpoint?  :huh:

Eddie Teach

Quote from: DGuller on August 20, 2012, 09:13:25 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 20, 2012, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 20, 2012, 08:51:01 PM
We exterminated cities full of Nazis and expended around 15% of our GDP every year over half a century, and our grand achievement is that Martinus can post on the Internet.

Well, Tamas can post too.  :hmm:
Is that supposed to be a counterpoint?  :huh:

Are counterpoints generally punctuated with smilies showing uncertainty?
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

DGuller

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 20, 2012, 09:15:54 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 20, 2012, 09:13:25 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 20, 2012, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 20, 2012, 08:51:01 PM
We exterminated cities full of Nazis and expended around 15% of our GDP every year over half a century, and our grand achievement is that Martinus can post on the Internet.

Well, Tamas can post too.  :hmm:
Is that supposed to be a counterpoint?  :huh:

Are counterpoints generally punctuated with smilies showing uncertainty?
:hmm:

crazy canuck

Quote from: derspiess on August 20, 2012, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 20, 2012, 10:26:25 AM
The fact that these laws are being passed in the US does not at all diminish my ability to feel superior.

Women's Olympic soccer, however, seems to be the magic bullet :lol:

If the price of living a real democracy means I have to put up with you banana republics cheating at the Olympics then so be it.

DGuller

Quote from: crazy canuck on August 20, 2012, 10:49:38 PM
If the price of living a real democracy means I have to put up with you banana republics cheating at the Olympics then so be it.
:rolleyes:  You're saying that a referee from a socialist petro state would conspire in favor Americans over Canadians?  Seriously?

garbon

Quote from: Ideologue on August 20, 2012, 08:52:47 PM
What the hell is "rabbiting"?

Try checking out a movie called The Terminator.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: garbon on August 20, 2012, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 20, 2012, 08:52:47 PM
What the hell is "rabbiting"?

Try checking out a movie called The Terminator.

Is that the one where George Clooney goes around firing people?
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Syt

Quote from: garbon on August 20, 2012, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 20, 2012, 08:52:47 PM
What the hell is "rabbiting"?

Try checking out a movie called The Terminator.

I always thought it was a Clockwork Orange reference. to rabit = работать = to work.
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