Voter ID controversy

[garbon]

Guys, I know all the "arguments" against the voter ID requirement - I watch the Daily Show. The thing is, they are just not convincing. The fact that voting fraud is so rare is not a good argument, really - I find it surprising but in itself it's as good an argument as the one saying you shouldn't get health insurance if you have never been sick before. And the inconvenience for the too stupid or too lazy to get a free ID card is not really convincing either.

Who cares?

[garbon]

Got a letter on Saturday asking me to apply to be a election day poll worker.

You could wear your best heels and matching handbag.

No handbag.

I'd love to get one of those church lady hats though.

[CountDeMoney]

Guys, I know all the "arguments" against the voter ID requirement - I watch the Daily Show. The thing is, they are just not convincing. The fact that voting fraud is so rare is not a good argument, really - I find it surprising but in itself it's as good an argument as the one saying you shouldn't get health insurance if you have never been sick before. And the inconvenience for the too stupid or too lazy to get a free ID card is not really convincing either.

The vast majority of the civil rights organizations fully support voter ID card initiatives, believe it or not, and they have since the 1960s;  hell, a lot of the southern states have enacted voter ID laws since 2011 have done so with several years' run-up, preparation and education.  Nobody has a problem with that.  However, some of these recent legislative initiatives are designed to impact this year's election in a real fucking hurry, designed specifically to cause havoc and administrative nightmares for voters, and that's where the problem is. 

Too stupid or lazy to get a free ID card?   The fact that this nation does not, nor has it ever, required anybody to have an "ID card" shows how fucked up you eastern Europeans think.  Now, I know your concept of democracy is less than a generation old, and you fucking eastern bloc retards can be forgiven for knowing very little about it, so we'll just go ahead and ignore your Jew-hating opinions.

[CountDeMoney]

Got a letter on Saturday asking me to apply to be a election day poll worker.

You could wear your best heels and matching handbag.

No handbag.

I'd love to get one of those church lady hats though.

I'd have mentioned it, but I figured you had one already.    Modestly wide brim, with a fall bouquet.  Understated for the season.

[Ed Anger]

Guys, I know all the "arguments" against the voter ID requirement - I watch the Daily Show. The thing is, they are just not convincing. The fact that voting fraud is so rare is not a good argument, really - I find it surprising but in itself it's as good an argument as the one saying you shouldn't get health insurance if you have never been sick before. And the inconvenience for the too stupid or too lazy to get a free ID card is not really convincing either.

The vast majority of the civil rights organizations fully support voter ID card initiatives, believe it or not, and they have since the 1960s;  hell, a lot of the southern states have enacted voter ID laws since 2011 have done so with several years' run-up, preparation and education.  Nobody has a problem with that.  However, some of these recent legislative initiatives are designed to impact this year's election in a real fucking hurry, designed specifically to cause havoc and administrative nightmares for voters, and that's where the problem is. 

Too stupid or lazy to get a free ID card?   The fact that this nation does not, nor has it ever, required anybody to have an "ID card" shows how fucked up you eastern Europeans think.  Now, I know your concept of democracy is less than a generation old, and you fucking eastern bloc retards can be forgiven for knowing very little about it, so we'll just go ahead and ignore your Jew-hating opinions.

Hey now, he watches the Daily Show. He is well informed on everything.

[crazy canuck]

If nothing else this thread shows how tenuous democratic principles are in former communist countries.

[garbon]

Got a letter on Saturday asking me to apply to be a election day poll worker.

You could wear your best heels and matching handbag.

No handbag.

I'd love to get one of those church lady hats though.

I'd have mentioned it, but I figured you had one already.    Modestly wide brim, with a fall bouquet.  Understated for the season.

No, I've only a small hat with black netting to cover part of the face.

[CountDeMoney]

No, I've only a small hat with black netting to cover part of the face.

Well, you always need one for a funeral.

[DGuller]

If nothing else this thread shows how tenuous democratic principles are in former communist countries.

Or former capitalist countries, for that matter. 

[derspiess]

Got a letter on Saturday asking me to apply to be a election day poll worker.

You could wear your best heels and matching handbag.

No handbag.

I'd love to get one of those church lady hats though.

I'd have mentioned it, but I figured you had one already.    Modestly wide brim, with a fall bouquet.  Understated for the season.

Bullshit, grabon needs to go full Frederica Wilson.

[Berkut]

Do we really need to point out that getting health insurance, which is something that a private individual does to protect themselves against a risk, is not really similar to passing laws, which is something society does in order to protect individuals from other individuals?

I hesitate to say this may be your worst analogy yet, but only because that just seems like a challenge to you to come up with something even more missing the point next time.

It is a law that does not address a problem - well, at least it doesn't address a problem that those who are passing it are using to jsutify it - it DOES address the problem of Democrats getting elected more than the Republicans would like.

The intent of those passing the law is simply to keep people they don't want to vote from voting. Pointing out that people can get around that intent doesn't make the law any more justified. Pointing out that people are stupid and lazy doesn't either - stupid and lazy people are not barred from voting, last I checked.

[Berkut]

If nothing else this thread shows how tenuous democratic principles are in former communist countries.

Considering these laws are being passed right here in the USA, I don't think we should work too hard trying to feel superior.

Of course, this is just example 45,876 that even people who claim to understand and respect liberty mostly do not.

[garbon]

No, a cowboy hat would be inappropriate.

[Syt]

Dunno, garbon is for me more like

[crazy canuck]

If nothing else this thread shows how tenuous democratic principles are in former communist countries.

Considering these laws are being passed right here in the USA, I don't think we should work too hard trying to feel superior.

Of course, this is just example 45,876 that even people who claim to understand and respect liberty mostly do not.

The fact that these laws are being passed in the US does not at all diminish my ability to feel superior. Quite the opposite actually.