Europa Universalis IV announced

[garbon]

I haven't seen it do anything yet. Though as Portugal I'm also besties with Spain.

Actually I just loaded up as Spain in that game and I think I know what it is - and seems lame. Spain can seize colonies by moving troops into a colony and then pressing the option seize (under the burn province button).  However, it is only allowed in actual colonies - and once a settlement is self-sustaining (i.e. a city) then the game doesn't treat it as a colony.

I don't think AI would ever be proactive enough to seize while they are actual colonies.

[crazy canuck]

I haven't seen it do anything yet. Though as Portugal I'm also besties with Spain.

Actually I just loaded up as Spain in that game and I think I know what it is - and seems lame. Spain can seize colonies by moving troops into a colony and then pressing the option seize (under the burn province button).  However, it is only allowed in actual colonies - and once a settlement is self-sustaining (i.e. a city) then the game doesn't treat it as a colony.

I don't think AI would ever be proactive enough to seize while they are actual colonies.

I suppose that makes sense since the tooltip says they can claim "colonies". 

[garbon]

Yeah but basically makes it irrelevant.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah but basically makes it irrelevant.

Not really.  It takes some time to build a colony into a city - especially in MP games if the human player is maximizing the number of colonies he can develop.  If Spain could simply take over developed cities this would likely be OP.

[Solmyr]

Actually I just loaded up as Spain in that game and I think I know what it is - and seems lame. Spain can seize colonies by moving troops into a colony and then pressing the option seize (under the burn province button).  However, it is only allowed in actual colonies - and once a settlement is self-sustaining (i.e. a city) then the game doesn't treat it as a colony.

You can do that as anyone, not just Spain. Was the same in EU3.

[garbon]

Actually I just loaded up as Spain in that game and I think I know what it is - and seems lame. Spain can seize colonies by moving troops into a colony and then pressing the option seize (under the burn province button).  However, it is only allowed in actual colonies - and once a settlement is self-sustaining (i.e. a city) then the game doesn't treat it as a colony.

You can do that as anyone, not just Spain. Was the same in EU3.

Oh. Then I'm really confused on what the bonus is to Spain. I didn't see anything.

[garbon]

Yeah but basically makes it irrelevant.

Not really.  It takes some time to build a colony into a city - especially in MP games if the human player is maximizing the number of colonies he can develop.  If Spain could simply take over developed cities this would likely be OP.

Well yes in MP it is relevant. In single player doesn't seem that feature matters much. But then that's clearly not what the idea does per Sol's new post.

[dps]

Actually I just loaded up as Spain in that game and I think I know what it is - and seems lame. Spain can seize colonies by moving troops into a colony and then pressing the option seize (under the burn province button).  However, it is only allowed in actual colonies - and once a settlement is self-sustaining (i.e. a city) then the game doesn't treat it as a colony.

You can do that as anyone, not just Spain. Was the same in EU3.

Yeah, and the AI in EU3 definately does it.

It says it alllows Spain to claim colonies.  Maybe that means that they get a CB to go to war for them?

[crazy canuck]

Actually I just loaded up as Spain in that game and I think I know what it is - and seems lame. Spain can seize colonies by moving troops into a colony and then pressing the option seize (under the burn province button).  However, it is only allowed in actual colonies - and once a settlement is self-sustaining (i.e. a city) then the game doesn't treat it as a colony.

You can do that as anyone, not just Spain. Was the same in EU3.

But they have to go to war first.  I think this allows Spain to do it without going to war.

[Anatron]

I haven't seen it do anything yet. Though as Portugal I'm also besties with Spain.

Actually I just loaded up as Spain in that game and I think I know what it is - and seems lame. Spain can seize colonies by moving troops into a colony and then pressing the option seize (under the burn province button).  However, it is only allowed in actual colonies - and once a settlement is self-sustaining (i.e. a city) then the game doesn't treat it as a colony.

I don't think AI would ever be proactive enough to seize while they are actual colonies.

you can do this only when you are at war with them right?

[Solmyr]

But they have to go to war first.  I think this allows Spain to do it without going to war.

How would you move troops into someone's colony without going to war? In MP nobody would ever give Spain military access if this is true.

EDIT: This thread seems to answer this: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?714435-Spain-s-Idea-Inter-Caetera

From what I understand, it gives you a free casus belli to claim any colony to any nation, without the need to previously fabricate the claim.

You can wage instant war against anybody who has a colony, and they don't cost you any diplomatic points in the peace treaty.

I.e., other nations only get CB to claim colonies adjacent to their own, while Spain can claim any colony.

[PRC]

1.1.2 Hotfix is out

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?714668-1.1.2-Hotfix&s=2648144433fae7358bbde48afe5a44fd

1.1.2
- Filter on tags now works
- Fixed issues with joining/inviting friends from friends list
- Server requests password if it ain't provided
- Fixed dedicated server not displaying the correct version
- Fixed sorting on server names
- Improved joining server status message
- Keep server browser scrollbar position when adding new servers to the lis
- Fixed a better oos-message. The client now gets an error-code so we can know what it was that went oos. (revision 8323)
- Supply, demand, total_produced, num_supply_provinces and num_demand_provinces for tradegoods are now saved in savegame (fixes hotjoin OOS).
- Fixed pause-bug on standalone server.
- Added better information for the client during hotjoin-request.
- Connection popup no longer in front of password popup
- You no longer get password rejected message when getting an invite to a password protected game
- No longer possible to filter on empty tag, either all servers or some tags
- If you search for a tag, steam will now return a global search enableing any player to find any game if his searching for the tag

[Queequeg]

Anyone have any idea on how not to get raped by the Spanish as the Eighty Year's War start Dutch?

[Queequeg]

CHRIST.  FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.  I SURVIVED THE 80 YEARS WAR AND THEN ACCEPTED AN ALLIANCE FROM NAVARRE NOT KNOWING IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY MEAN I WAS AT WAR WITH FUCKING FRANCE.  FUCK ME.

[PRC]

CHRIST.  FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.  I SURVIVED THE 80 YEARS WAR AND THEN ACCEPTED AN ALLIANCE FROM NAVARRE NOT KNOWING IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY MEAN I WAS AT WAR WITH FUCKING FRANCE.  FUCK ME.

Ironman, I assume?