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Can There Be 'Justice' Without Lawyers ?

Started by mongers, June 18, 2012, 03:19:06 PM

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#30
June 19, 2012, 06:57:45 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 19, 2012, 06:13:10 AM
Especially with ones like England which don't do purposive interpretation.

You need to get back to law school.  Pusposive interpretation has been allowed when the statute is ambigous since 1993 (see Pepper v Hart).

viper37

#31
June 19, 2012, 07:27:52 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 18, 2012, 03:42:56 PM
I would say that lawyers and courts exist to try and make 100% sure that you do not get the wrong result.
what is a wrong result?
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#32
June 19, 2012, 07:42:42 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 19, 2012, 06:33:23 AM
This is obviously the same here but MPs have a tendency to introduce last minute changes and modifications that sometimes have far-reaching consequences.
I'm not sure how often that happens here.  I mentioned the lawyers writing the law because I read a, I think, David Frum article that said the US doesn't have something like that which is part of the problem with lobbyists there.

QuoteYou need to get back to law school.  Pusposive interpretation has been allowed when the statute is ambigous since 1993 (see Pepper v Hart).
:blush:  Still in law school.
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Legbiter

#33
June 19, 2012, 08:43:10 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 18, 2012, 03:19:06 PM
Prompted by the article below about genocide 'trials' in Rwanda I thought I'd ask the question it prompt in my mind:

Can there be 'justice' without lawyers ?

Sure, the Icelandic Sagas quite often feature self-help types seeking to redress wrongs done against them in a clan-based society with no executive branch. Usually with an axe.
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CountDeMoney

#34
June 19, 2012, 08:44:08 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 19, 2012, 07:42:42 AM
:blush:  Still in law school.

DO MOR HOMEWERK

Martinus

#35
June 19, 2012, 08:48:59 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2012, 07:27:52 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 18, 2012, 03:42:56 PM
I would say that lawyers and courts exist to try and make 100% sure that you do not get the wrong result.
what is a wrong result?

Not guilty.

Lettow77

#36
June 19, 2012, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 18, 2012, 10:12:54 PM

Jew lawyers are overrated.  You want yourself a Uke lawyer.

You don't think a Seme lawyer would be better?
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Richard Hakluyt

#37
June 19, 2012, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 19, 2012, 08:44:08 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 19, 2012, 07:42:42 AM
:blush:  Still in law school.

DO MOR HOMEWERK

:lol:

You misspieled that on porpoise!!!!

Ed Anger

#38
June 19, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 18, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 18, 2012, 05:16:40 PM
Lawyers are scum. Except for my jew lawyer.  :)

Jew lawyers are overrated.  You want yourself a Uke lawyer.

No slavs.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Barrister

#39
June 19, 2012, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 19, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 18, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 18, 2012, 05:16:40 PM
Lawyers are scum. Except for my jew lawyer.  :)

Jew lawyers are overrated.  You want yourself a Uke lawyer.

No slavs.

Your loss.

This being Edmonton, there is no shortage of Uke lawyers here, and they are to a man (or woman) some damn fine lawyers.   :cool:
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Ed Anger

#40
June 19, 2012, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 19, 2012, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 19, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 18, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 18, 2012, 05:16:40 PM
Lawyers are scum. Except for my jew lawyer.  :)

Jew lawyers are overrated.  You want yourself a Uke lawyer.

No slavs.

Your loss.

This being Edmonton, there is no shortage of Uke lawyers here, and they are to a man (or woman) some damn fine lawyers.   :cool:

WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD I BE LOOKING FOR A LAWYER A KAJILLION MILES AWAY?

I swear, you people don't think your posts through. Christ.

I need a break from you stupids.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Barrister

#41
June 19, 2012, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 19, 2012, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 19, 2012, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 19, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 18, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 18, 2012, 05:16:40 PM
Lawyers are scum. Except for my jew lawyer.  :)

Jew lawyers are overrated.  You want yourself a Uke lawyer.

No slavs.

Your loss.

This being Edmonton, there is no shortage of Uke lawyers here, and they are to a man (or woman) some damn fine lawyers.   :cool:

WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD I BE LOOKING FOR A LAWYER A KAJILLION MILES AWAY?

I swear, you people don't think your posts through. Christ.

I need a break from you stupids.

:huh:

I'm just saying that it's not just me - all Ukes make fabulous lawyers.

I am one billion percent sure there are Uke lawyers in Ohio as well.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

CountDeMoney

#42
June 19, 2012, 12:44:00 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 19, 2012, 12:24:56 PM
WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD I BE LOOKING FOR A LAWYER A KAJILLION MILES AWAY?

I swear, you people don't think your posts through. Christ.

I need a break from you stupids.

Lulz, Ed's having a Languish meltdown. 

That phone number must've been disconnected. :console:

Viking

#43
June 19, 2012, 01:29:21 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on June 19, 2012, 08:43:10 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 18, 2012, 03:19:06 PM
Prompted by the article below about genocide 'trials' in Rwanda I thought I'd ask the question it prompt in my mind:

Can there be 'justice' without lawyers ?

Sure, the Icelandic Sagas quite often feature self-help types seeking to redress wrongs done against them in a clan-based society with no executive branch. Usually with an axe.

There was law and there were parliaments (Things). Before seeking to redress wrongs with the help of lusty friends with axes they would first get the local thing to declare that person an outlaw, liable to judicial murder and theft of property. Erik the Red is the most famous case, as he fled first from Norway and later from Iceland from outlaw decrees before setting himself up as a land agent for an icebound desert he named Greenland.
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First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Neil

#44
June 19, 2012, 03:11:05 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 19, 2012, 12:24:56 PM
WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD I BE LOOKING FOR A LAWYER A KAJILLION MILES AWAY?

I swear, you people don't think your posts through. Christ.

I need a break from you stupids.
Why would you be telling us you need a lawyer?  Why would we care?

Fuck off, faggot.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.
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