GOP Primary Megathread!

[derspiess]

Recognition entails that some one has the right to be or do something.  Respect is your personal opinion of the person.

I wouldn't say that.  You can have a low opinion of someone yet respect them due to their position.

[garbon]

I haven't followed the wider argument at all, so I've no idea what this is to do with.  I'm just jumping in at the illegitimacy v respect point.

Well yeah that's my issue as we aren't talking about any nation but the US.  I hope we're not an unstable democracy.

[garbon]

Recognition entails that some one has the right to be or do something.  Respect is your personal opinion of the person.

I wouldn't say that.  You can have a low opinion of someone yet respect them due to their position.

I would say I have a low opinion of Obama but respect him as after all he is the president.

[Razgovory]

Recognition entails that some one has the right to be or do something.  Respect is your personal opinion of the person.

I wouldn't say that.  You can have a low opinion of someone yet respect them due to their position.

The respect in that case is recognition of their position.  The words do kinda get used interchangeably,  (and I'm not sure if I'm using them right).  You may have a low opinion of say, a judge but it would be wise to recognize the power he has over you if you are in court.  I suppose that could also be worded as "Respecting his position".  Or simply respecting the position.

[garbon]

Recognition entails that some one has the right to be or do something.  Respect is your personal opinion of the person.

I wouldn't say that.  You can have a low opinion of someone yet respect them due to their position.

The respect in that case is recognition of their position.  The words do kinda get used interchangeably,  (and I'm not sure if I'm using them right).  You may have a low opinion of say, a judge but it would be wise to recognize the power he has over you if you are in court.  I suppose that could also be worded as "Respecting his position".  Or simply respecting the position.

I don't think that's true.  That has little to do with whether you think a person legitimately has a position.  I could see someone who respected Bush's position but thought he only got it through electoral shenanigans - and thus didn't legitimately hold it.

In fact, you could recognize that Bush or Obama had/has power but not recognize them as legitimate.

[Sheilbh]

Well yeah that's my issue as we aren't talking about any nation but the US.  I hope we're not an unstable democracy.

Fine, but as I said I think that develops over time.  Legitimacy takes a long time to build up, but if people start disbelieving it then I think it's very difficult to recover.

The birthers or whatever are a small section, so it's not a big worry.  But the consequences of what they're saying is dangerous and they shouldn't be enabled by someone like Trump, buffoon or not.  But they are a very small group of people.

I don't think that's true.  That has little to do with whether you think a person legitimately has a position.  I could see someone who respected Bush's position but thought he only got it through electoral shenanigans - and thus didn't legitimately hold it.

This would be my worry.  That minorities in both parties have questioned the legitimacy of the last three elections.  That's an unfortunate trend in my view.

[Razgovory]

Recognition entails that some one has the right to be or do something.  Respect is your personal opinion of the person.

I wouldn't say that.  You can have a low opinion of someone yet respect them due to their position.

The respect in that case is recognition of their position.  The words do kinda get used interchangeably,  (and I'm not sure if I'm using them right).  You may have a low opinion of say, a judge but it would be wise to recognize the power he has over you if you are in court.  I suppose that could also be worded as "Respecting his position".  Or simply respecting the position.

I don't think that's true.  That has little to do with whether you think a person legitimately has a position.  I could see someone who respected Bush's position but thought he only got it through electoral shenanigans - and thus didn't legitimately hold it.

In fact, you could recognize that Bush or Obama had/has power but not recognize them as legitimate.

I don't think you can.

[garbon]

I don't think you can.

Why not? Bush clearly had the power to do things that ordinary people can't do and yet was seen by some as not the truly elected representative.  (Florida voting machines? MoveOn?)

[CountDeMoney]

Today's Mittism is:

"Planned Parenthood — we're going to get rid of that."

[MadImmortalMan]

Today's Mittism is:

"Planned Parenthood — we're going to get rid of that."

Only unplanned parenthood is appropriate. 

[CountDeMoney]

Today's Mittism is:

"Planned Parenthood — we're going to get rid of that."

Only unplanned parenthood is appropriate. 

They just don't get it this year, do they?  I love it.  Keep this up, and Obama wins by 15%.

[Razgovory]

I don't think you can.

Why not? Bush clearly had the power to do things that ordinary people can't do and yet was seen by some as not the truly elected representative.  (Florida voting machines? MoveOn?)

Cause I said so, that's why.

[CountDeMoney]

(Florida voting machines? MoveOn?)

Supreme Court trumps those.

[sbr]

I thought Republicans were for limited federal government and states rights.  Do they really want a federal executive with enough power to "get rid" of planned parenthood?

[CountDeMoney]

I thought Republicans were for limited federal government and states rights.  Do they really want a federal executive with enough power to "get rid" of planned parenthood?

They want to get rid of Energy, Education and....um...there's another, hold on....