Former lovers of undercover officers sue police over deceit

Started by jimmy olsen, December 17, 2011, 04:02:59 AM

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 18, 2011, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 18, 2011, 04:31:16 AM
Then it's even more of a cause for a legal action then. I don't know about the US, but at least in Europe when a cop on duty causes you harm while acting outside of rules of conduct, you can sue the state.

Yeah, sorry, don't think heartbreak qualifies.

Marty would sue for the legal enforcement of mandatory Birkenstocks.

mongers

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Sheilbh

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 18, 2011, 12:19:23 PM
Yeah, sorry, don't think heartbreak qualifies.

I don't see how heartbreak even comes into the equation.  One of the coppers shagged 3 granola chicks in 7 years.  There's no mention of false marriage promises, or false true love promises, or anything that we usually associate with heartbreak.

The basis of the plaintiffs' case seems to be that for them shagging a copper, or shagging anyone who's not sincerely comitted to their crunchy cause is so abhorent that when they found out the truth it caused them deep emotional distress.

Habbaku

Quote from: Neil on December 18, 2011, 12:32:48 PM
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Ideologue

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 18, 2011, 02:51:32 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 18, 2011, 12:19:23 PM
Yeah, sorry, don't think heartbreak qualifies.

I don't see how heartbreak even comes into the equation.  One of the coppers shagged 3 granola chicks in 7 years.  There's no mention of false marriage promises, or false true love promises, or anything that we usually associate with heartbreak.

The basis of the plaintiffs' case seems to be that for them shagging a copper, or shagging anyone who's not sincerely comitted to their crunchy cause is so abhorent that when they found out the truth it caused them deep emotional distress.

It's not a contract claim, it's a tort claim.  The existence of a promise is not an element of fraud.
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Ideologue

Quote from: Habbaku on December 18, 2011, 03:37:32 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 18, 2011, 12:32:48 PM
Kill all lawyers.  Kill every lawyer you see.  That's the only way to create a truly equitable society.

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

I offer a compromise: kill half of all lawyers admitted to practice you see. :)
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Neil

Quote from: Ideologue on December 18, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 18, 2011, 03:37:32 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 18, 2011, 12:32:48 PM
Kill all lawyers.  Kill every lawyer you see.  That's the only way to create a truly equitable society.

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
I offer a compromise: kill half of all lawyers admitted to practice you see. :)
Negative.  That just means that different bloodsuckers will be trying to destroy society.  They must all be purged for mankind to heal.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Ideologue on December 18, 2011, 03:43:49 PM
It's not a contract claim, it's a tort claim.  The existence of a promise is not an element of fraud.

"It" in this context is heartbreak.

Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 18, 2011, 02:51:32 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 18, 2011, 12:19:23 PM
Yeah, sorry, don't think heartbreak qualifies.

I don't see how heartbreak even comes into the equation.  One of the coppers shagged 3 granola chicks in 7 years.  There's no mention of false marriage promises, or false true love promises, or anything that we usually associate with heartbreak.

The basis of the plaintiffs' case seems to be that for them shagging a copper, or shagging anyone who's not sincerely comitted to their crunchy cause is so abhorent that when they found out the truth it caused them deep emotional distress.

From what I've seen of granola chicks the copper might need to get hazard pay.
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Barrister

Quote from: Neil on December 18, 2011, 12:32:48 PM
It does if you're a worthless, anarchist piece of shit like Martinus.

Kill all lawyers.  Kill every lawyer you see.  That's the only way to create a truly equitable society.

You say that now, but remember I am part of the thin black line that separates us from anarchy and mayhem.

And I have to say that deep undercover coppers are pretty much mythical in my practice.  I've seen a handful of files where undercover stings are utilized, but never any that went beyond a few days.  I actually have no idea what the rules are, but I'm 99% sure that they aren't supposed to have sexual relations while undercover.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: Barrister on December 18, 2011, 04:12:58 PM
And I have to say that deep undercover coppers are pretty much mythical in my practice.  I've seen a handful of files where undercover stings are utilized, but never any that went beyond a few days.  I actually have no idea what the rules are, but I'm 99% sure that they aren't supposed to have sexual relations while undercover.
The article says it's not allowed. They say it's 'never acceptable' and 'grossly unprofessional'.  He was more than undercover, according to the environmentalists he was with, apparently he was an agent provocateur - again, I believe, not allowed - and he's said everything he did his bosses knew about. 
Let's bomb Russia!

mongers

Quote from: Sheilbh on December 18, 2011, 04:44:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 18, 2011, 04:12:58 PM
And I have to say that deep undercover coppers are pretty much mythical in my practice.  I've seen a handful of files where undercover stings are utilized, but never any that went beyond a few days.  I actually have no idea what the rules are, but I'm 99% sure that they aren't supposed to have sexual relations while undercover.
The article says it's not allowed. They say it's 'never acceptable' and 'grossly unprofessional'.  He was more than undercover, according to the environmentalists he was with, apparently he was an agent provocateur - again, I believe, not allowed - and he's said everything he did his bosses knew about.

Yes, I believe this is an operation fiction, they're not intelligence gathering, but are mainly agent provocateurs.

I wouldn't be entirely suprised if in a couple of years we find there weren't one or two of them involved in that student demonstration in London which trash the Tory election HQ. :unsure:
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Ideologue

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Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 18, 2011, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 18, 2011, 03:43:49 PM
It's not a contract claim, it's a tort claim.  The existence of a promise is not an element of fraud.

"It" in this context is heartbreak.

Wrongful seduction, waste of years' worth of affection and the fact it's been undertaken by their own government = more than heartbreak.
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