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Started by Fireblade, March 12, 2009, 09:39:15 AM

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vinraith

Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2009, 03:24:42 PM
Agreed.  That's not his intent, however.

No, but the point is that "gay" isn't really something you can evangelize. People are attracted to members of the same sex or they aren't. Those that are shouldn't be shamed into behaving against their natural predilections, those who aren't can't really be swayed to turn. Is there any advertising on Earth that would make you suddenly think "hmm, maybe I should go fuck some guys?"

FunkMonk

239/400. I am Progressive. I don't feel like it though. I've always thought of myself as center-right. I think the questions on religion tipped it heavily the other way. If not for those it would probably say I'm a Fascist pigdog.
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derspiess

Quote from: vinraith on March 12, 2009, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2009, 03:24:42 PM
Agreed.  That's not his intent, however.

No, but the point is that "gay" isn't really something you can evangelize. People are attracted to members of the same sex or they aren't. Those that are shouldn't be shamed into behaving against their natural predilections, those who aren't can't really be swayed to turn. Is there any advertising on Earth that would make you suddenly think "hmm, maybe I should go fuck some guys?"

If you distill it all the way down to just sexual preference, then yeah, you're right.  But that's not what I was talking about. 

The only point I was trying to make was that "acceptance" is a vague term.
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Barrister

Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2009, 04:40:32 PM
The only point I was trying to make was that "acceptance" is a vague term.

Agreed.  "Acceptance" in that context could merely mean that it is not criminalized (as it was, and still is in some countries).  Or does acceptance mean that you can not discriminate based on sexual orintation?  Or does it mean full recognition of gay marriage?

Based on what you mean by "acceptance" I would either support it or not.
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garbon

Quote from: vinraith on March 12, 2009, 04:35:13 PM
No, but the point is that "gay" isn't really something you can evangelize. People are attracted to members of the same sex or they aren't. Those that are shouldn't be shamed into behaving against their natural predilections, those who aren't can't really be swayed to turn. Is there any advertising on Earth that would make you suddenly think "hmm, maybe I should go fuck some guys?"

Perhaps but I could totally see someone who is gay who might think "hmm, maybe I should go have sex with women." In fact, I'd say that many gays have thought that at some point in their lives.  But of course, that's not because of advertising, but evangelism does play a role.
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Josephus

I couldn't be arsed to take the quiz; but I listen to Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis and King Crimson a lot...so that makes me really progressive.  ;)
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MadImmortalMan

Quote from: Josephus on March 12, 2009, 04:53:31 PM
I couldn't be arsed to take the quiz; but I listen to Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis and King Crimson a lot...so that makes me really progressive.  ;)

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Josephus

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 12, 2009, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 12, 2009, 04:53:31 PM
I couldn't be arsed to take the quiz; but I listen to Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis and King Crimson a lot...so that makes me really progressive.  ;)

8)

And Rush too.  ;D
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Martinus

#131
Quote from: vinraith on March 12, 2009, 03:08:32 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2009, 03:02:19 PM
Actually, I think it's just too vague.  "Acceptance" can mean anything from allowing it to happen/exist to outright promotion of it, depending on whom you ask.

:D What exactly does "outright promotion" of gaydom look like?
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garbon

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Martinus

Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2009, 04:45:34 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2009, 04:40:32 PM
The only point I was trying to make was that "acceptance" is a vague term.

Agreed.  "Acceptance" in that context could merely mean that it is not criminalized (as it was, and still is in some countries).  Or does acceptance mean that you can not discriminate based on sexual orintation?  Or does it mean full recognition of gay marriage?

Based on what you mean by "acceptance" I would either support it or not.
It's alright. I don't "accept" your lifestyle either.

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