[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Josephus]

Canada should introduce export duties on oil to the US. Fuck the yanks where it obviously hurts and make them pay for it or go crying to the Venezuelans.

Except it would hurt parts of Canada too. Trudeau said yesterday he doesn't want one sector to pay the brunt more than any other.

[Grey Fox]

That means no response will be effective enough.

We have to decide if we think the US will be friendly again or is this it.

If we think this is it. We need to start building pipelines for Oil and Gas, ports for LNG and new train tracks starting yesterday.

Sadly, one of the 2 parties vying for power has a base that wants to be America lite. Are they going to want to be real America?

[Valmy]

I think you need to operate under the assumption the US is going to be hostile to Canada for the foreseeable future. If it all works out, it all works out but I certainly cannot guarantee anything. Even if we manage to remove these nuts from power, who knows what the US looks like on the other side?

[Oexmelin]

Yep. I think it's wise to plan for the current Republican administration to undermine the possibilities of the Democrats ever seizing meaningful power for the foreseeable future.

[Jacob]

Yeah my expectation is that they're pushing for Putinism with American characteristics. Superficially it seems the American siloviki tend to be more aligned with Trumpism - and one expects the federal and red state ones will be groomed to be more amenable to anti-Democratic (as in, the system of governance not the party) measures. But they've never been fully put to the test, so we'll see.

I'm not giving up hope - for Canada, for Denmark, for the EU, or for the US - but it's going to be a challenging and probably harrowing period in the next several years.

[Oexmelin]

One thing is for sure: we must use the US as the cautionary tale it is. For our politics, our activism, and the way we envision the possibilities of state power.

[Grey Fox]

Then, let's open the door to China.

[crazy canuck]

Then, let's open the door to China.

Absolutely not.  The day we are so desperate that we need to open the door to China is the day we just admit defeat.

There are plenty of other good trading partners out there still.

[Grey Fox]

That is true. Giving up to China might be a stupidier choice then just be the ~51st-60th states.

[HVC]

I'm not an economist so take this with a grain of salt, but if I was the king of Canada I'd ramp up to export tariffs on crude. Make the US relive the 70s. Take that revenue to offset the losses elsewhere. It'll take them a while to replace their source of crude oil. As that happens ramp down the tariffs to keep the pressure but still have them buy.


Now that that fantasy is said, I don't know what Canada can actually do. Probably nothing. Try to increae trade with Europe, I suppose. Hope that this time we can actually get a pipeline going east?

[viper37]

We have to decide if we think the US will be friendly again or is this it.

It won't.

The Republicans just love this.  And there will be no information to contradict the official message.

This was predicted last fall or last summer actually.

The far left and the far right won.

It sucks, but only the Liberal Party and the Bloc are viable alternatives at the Federal level.

We can't trust the anti free trade pro-Union scum nuts that would betray us in a whim, and we can't trust the traitors aligned with Trump.