Israeli organ borrowing revisited

[grumbler]

I was entirely agnostic as to the article when it first appeared. It is only now that I deem it credible.

The fact that you find such preposterous things as that Palestinians were "brought back five days later without any organs" makes you gullible; let alone that you believe that the reporter did a series of autopsies to confirm the total lack of any organs so he could report on it as something he had "seen with his own eyes" (for without an autopsy, of course, he couldn't see anything of the sort "with his own eyes").  I hope you will consider giving me a medal when I say "bullshit!"

[grumbler]

That's silly.  Democracies have even more reason to hide potential wrongdoing, due to their fragility.

I would agree, were this political wrongdoing.  It isn't though.  It is some medical type who got carried away and decided not to let technicalities like NOK permissions get in the way of "science!"

[Pat]

I was entirely agnostic as to the article when it first appeared. It is only now that I deem it credible.

The fact that you find such preposterous things as that Palestinians were "brought back five days later without any organs" makes you gullible; let alone that you believe that the reporter did a series of autopsies to confirm the total lack of any organs so he could report on it as something he had "seen with his own eyes" (for without an autopsy, of course, he couldn't see anything of the sort "with his own eyes").  I hope you will consider giving me a medal when I say "bullshit!"

"Any organs" were my words, not the article's. A clumpsy way of expressing myself. The article doesn't say that all the organs were removed, nor is that what I believed (though I did in haste do the mistake of expressing myself in a way that would allow you to make a hen of the smallest little feather of ambiguity).

Have you read the article by the way? The way you express yourself makes me think you haven't.

[Pat]

Warning, possibly NSFW.




















BTW, since people don't seem to read the article, and in the interest of people seeing things with their own eyes, here's the picture accompanying the article:



The boy on the picture was shot and killed by Israeli soldiers. His cause of death was already known, yet they took his body with them to perform an "autopsy".


Oh, and btw:

Organs were not harvested if it was believed relatives might discover it, he said, adding that in some cases glue was used to close eyelids to hide missing corneas.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/21/israel.organs/



Judging by the picture above, I feel quite safe in my assumtion that the same courtesy was not extended to the families of the Palestinians.

[Neil]

They didn't need the organs anymore.  Let's can the fake outrage.

[Pat]

They didn't need the organs anymore.  Let's can the fake outrage.

I agree they didn't need the organs anymore. For all I care organ donation could be made mandatory on death (though this is a very different discussion and not one I care to engage in if anyone should have an opposing viewpoint).

I am not faking anything. What even BB, on the other side of the argument, agrees to be the scenario is: "...even if the Palestinians did die of natural causes in Israeli jail and were returned to their families without organs, that is still pretty damn bad"

Which is to say the families of the Palestinians are left to guess if their loved ones really did die of natural causes or not. I don't have to fake anything to find that rather outraging. And I personally believe there to be other possible scenarios, considerably more outraging.

[Neil]

They're Palestinians.  Who cares how they died?

[Pat]

They're Palestinians.  Who cares how they died?

Their families, I assume.

[Neil]

They're Palestinians.  Who cares how they died?

Their families, I assume.

But why would I care?

[Pat]

You don't have to.

[Neil]

You don't have to.

But if I don't care, how can you expect the world at large to be outraged?

[Pat]

I never expected you to care. Is there any atrocity Israel could commit that you would care about?

[DGuller]

Did any of the alleged victims actually come forward, or is it just a wild speculation at this point?

The alleged victims are dead. 

How convenient. 

[Neil]

I never expected you to care. Is there any atrocity Israel could commit that you would care about?

Possibly.  If they killed civilized folks, that would certainly earn my ire.  And I don't mean running some hippie cunt over with a bulldozer.

[Pat]

Do you consider the Israelis to be civilized folks, Neil?