What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Sophie Scholl]

So Judaism is a nationality now.  That's very, very problematic. 

Here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/trump-order-judaism-nationality/index.html

[jimmy olsen]

So Judaism is a nationality now.  That's very, very problematic. 

Here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/trump-order-judaism-nationality/index.html

[celedhring]

I find it odd that religion is not included in the provisions from the Civil Rights Act mentioned in the article.

[grumbler]

I find it odd that religion is not included in the provisions from the Civil Rights Act mentioned in the article.

Already covered by The Very First Amendment, presumably.

[The Minsky Moment]

I find it odd that religion is not included in the provisions from the Civil Rights Act mentioned in the article.

Because the US still has religiously-affiliated educational institutions that receive federal grants.

[The Minsky Moment]

So Judaism is a nationality now.  That's very, very problematic. 

Here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/trump-order-judaism-nationality/index.html

I get that Jared wants to do good for the tribe, but I really wish he'd shut up and stop trying.

[dps]

So Judaism is a nationality now.  That's very, very problematic. 

Here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/trump-order-judaism-nationality/index.html

If Judaism is a nationality, wouldn't that mean that Jews in America should be stripped of their US citizenship?

The order isn't problematic;  it's moronic.

[The Minsky Moment]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRKFo0JmuBc

Very long interview with Barr (not on Fox) about IG report and Durham's investigation.

As much as I hate to say it, he sounds very reasonable.

Some evasive non-answers when he is asked about DNC servers spirited to Ukraine and Ukrainian interference in the election.

It's easy to sound reasonable if you speak in a measured tone of voice and avoid engaging with the full evidence in context.  This is the same trick Barr employed with his misleading "summary" of the Mueller report - a noxious mixture of half-truths and outright mischaracterization.  The IG Report unequivocally finds that there was sufficient predication to commence the investigations and it explains the context in which those decisions are made.  It is worth mentioning that those investigations uncovered significant and serious criminal activity and that 3 of the 4 individual targets of the investigations pled or were found guilty of federal crimes.  It's striking to see a law-and-order type like Barr cast shade on this process.  In particular, the notion that there should be very high standards of evidentiary proof to even *start* a counter-intel investigation is very problematic if one considers what would result.

[Malthus]

So Judaism is a nationality now.  That's very, very problematic. 

Here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/trump-order-judaism-nationality/index.html

If Judaism is a nationality, wouldn't that mean that Jews in America should be stripped of their US citizenship?

The order isn't problematic;  it's moronic.

I don't think so - at least, according to the article, the intent was to fit Jews within a category that certain federal legislation prohibits discrimination of, for educational purposes. Allegedly, you can discriminate based on "religion" but not on "national origin". So Judaism is now, for purposes of this law, a "national origin" and not a "religion".

I assume that other Americans have a "national origin" (say. Irish) without necessarily being citizens of the nation of Ireland; they can remain American citizens. Similarly, presumably Jews can have a 'national origin' yet remain American citizens.

That said, no good is likely to come of singling Jews out; because Jew-haters will simply be fed more ammunition.

[The Brain]

The American style "Irish" meaning they weren't born in Ireland and even their parents weren't born in Ireland? That crap is the worst. Honey, you're not <nationality> just because your ancestors were <nationality>.

[Eddie Teach]

Right, we're all native Americans. 

[The Minsky Moment]

I assume that other Americans have a "national origin" (say. Irish) without necessarily being citizens of the nation of Ireland; they can remain American citizens. Similarly, presumably Jews can have a 'national origin' yet remain American citizens.

And so they do - some have a Russian national origin, some Polish, some German or Austrian, some Iranian, and even some Israelis etc.   But they don't have a "Jew" national origin because there isn't such a nation, unless we want to go back to ancient Judaea.

[Malthus]

The American style "Irish" meaning they weren't born in Ireland and even their parents weren't born in Ireland? That crap is the worst. Honey, you're not <nationality> just because your ancestors were <nationality>.

Remember that the point isn't to brand someone as "Irish", but to prohibit discrimination against someone because they are identified by others (the people doing the discriminating) as "Irish".

[Malthus]

I assume that other Americans have a "national origin" (say. Irish) without necessarily being citizens of the nation of Ireland; they can remain American citizens. Similarly, presumably Jews can have a 'national origin' yet remain American citizens.

And so they do - some have a Russian national origin, some Polish, some German or Austrian, some Iranian, and even some Israelis etc.   But they don't have a "Jew" national origin because there isn't such a nation, unless we want to go back to ancient Judaea.

Yeah, and I agree this is a bad idea; I'm simply pointing out it isn't a prelude to stripping away US citizenship.

[The Brain]

The American style "Irish" meaning they weren't born in Ireland and even their parents weren't born in Ireland? That crap is the worst. Honey, you're not <nationality> just because your ancestors were <nationality>.

Remember that the point isn't to brand someone as "Irish", but to prohibit discrimination against someone because they are identified by others (the people doing the discriminating) as "Irish".

My impression is that many people go around calling themselves "Irish" for reasons unrelated to the point of the Civil Rights Act.