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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Jacob


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garbon

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I will support our president for life. HAIL TRUMP.

Please give me cash in exchange for a list of undesirables I have President Trump.
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Admiral Yi

10 quatloos says he plays the "just joking" card.

katmai

of course he will, does he mean it though.
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mongers

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 03, 2018, 08:35:26 PM
10 quatloos says he plays the "just joking" card.

I think I made the better joke.  <_<

Quote from: mongers on February 25, 2018, 08:42:23 AM

Putin, Xi , Why not Me.  Most UNFAIR!

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garbon

Quote from: mongers on March 03, 2018, 08:49:09 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 03, 2018, 08:35:26 PM
10 quatloos says he plays the "just joking" card.

I think I made the better joke.  <_<

Quote from: mongers on February 25, 2018, 08:42:23 AM

Putin, Xi , Why not Me.  Most UNFAIR!


He spends most of his first year pissed off and then wants more.

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

Quote from: Jacob on March 03, 2018, 07:53:13 PM
Apparently Trump thinks he may give the "President for Life" thing a shot one day: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/03/politics/trump-maralago-remarks/index.html

Like his incompetent ass could pull that off even if he wanted to.

In any case this is just his natural talent to continuously draw attention to himself without regard to why.
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jimmy olsen

Tell us how you really feel Mr. Brennan

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/former-cia-chief-john-brennan-blasts-trump-unstable-inept-inexperienced-and-also-unethical.html?via=article_recirc_engaged
QuoteFormer CIA chief John Brennan is worried. He used to be angry, but now more than anything he's concerned about the future of the country because President Donald Trump's overall incompetence at being commander in chief means there will be "rough waters ahead," Brennan said in an interview with MSNBC. It's not that Trump's incompetence is surprising—far from it. "It is no secret to anybody that Donald Trump was very ill-prepared and unexperienced in terms of dealing with matters that a head of state needs to deal with, head of government, and I think this is now coming to roost," Brennan said.

That dynamic has made Brennan worry, as he suggested Trump is just as unprepared for the challenges of leading the country as he was when he first moved into the White House. "There's a part of me that had been very angry at Donald Trump for the things he said and things he did," Brennan said. "I am now moving into the realm of deep worry and concern that our country needs strong leadership now." But that is difficult to hope for "if we have someone in the Oval Office who is unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."
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Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
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mongers

Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 04, 2018, 07:25:42 PM
Tell us how you really feel Mr. Brennan

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/former-cia-chief-john-brennan-blasts-trump-unstable-inept-inexperienced-and-also-unethical.html?via=article_recirc_engaged
QuoteFormer CIA chief John Brennan is worried. He used to be angry, but now more than anything he's concerned about the future of the country because President Donald Trump's overall incompetence at being commander in chief means there will be "rough waters ahead," Brennan said in an interview with MSNBC. It's not that Trump's incompetence is surprising—far from it. "It is no secret to anybody that Donald Trump was very ill-prepared and unexperienced in terms of dealing with matters that a head of state needs to deal with, head of government, and I think this is now coming to roost," Brennan said.

That dynamic has made Brennan worry, as he suggested Trump is just as unprepared for the challenges of leading the country as he was when he first moved into the White House. "There's a part of me that had been very angry at Donald Trump for the things he said and things he did," Brennan said. "I am now moving into the realm of deep worry and concern that our country needs strong leadership now." But that is difficult to hope for "if we have someone in the Oval Office who is unstable, inept, inexperienced, and also unethical."

America can, with relative ease, survive any President with two or fewer of those characteristics, three or four might be problematic.

.....
Kennedy- unethical (?) inexperienced (?)
.....
Nixon - unstable, unethical.
Carter - inexperienced,  inept(?)
Reagan-  inept, inexperienced (?)
Bush I - inept (?)
Clinton - unethical, inexperienced (?)
Bush II - inexperienced,  inept(?)
Obama - inexperienced (?)
...

Fill in some more blanks and challenge my thumbnail portraits.  :D
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

jimmy olsen

Quote from: mongers on March 04, 2018, 08:06:02 PM
Kennedy- unethical (?) inexperienced (?)
.....
Nixon - unstable, unethical.
Carter - inexperienced,  inept(?)
Reagan-  inept, inexperienced (?)
Bush I - inept (?)
Clinton - unethical, inexperienced (?)
Bush II - inexperienced,  inept(?)
Obama - inexperienced (?)
...

Fill in some more blanks and challenge my thumbnail portraits.  :D
Reagan, especially in his first year effectively got his agenda passed.
Bush I likewise was extremely effective in getting stuff done. I suppose one could call him politically inept since he lost.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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jimmy olsen

Perfect tweet describing this article

https://twitter.com/normative/status/970056304826994689
QuoteThe president seems unsure who he can trust, according to 22 staffers and close friends who described to the Post in detail how he's losing his mind.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pure-madness-dark-days-inside-the-white-house-as-trump-shocks-and-rages/2018/03/03/9849867c-1e72-11e8-9de1-147dd2df3829_story.html?utm_term=.f9f8a436ab92

Quote

'Pure madness': Dark days inside the White House as Trump shocks and rages


By Philip Rucker, Ashley Parker and Josh Dawsey 

March 3 at 4:26 PM Email the author   

Inside the White House, aides over the past week have described an air of anxiety and volatility — with an uncontrollable commander in chief at its center.

These are the darkest days in at least half a year, they say, and they worry just how much farther President Trump and his administration may plunge into unrest and malaise before they start to recover. As one official put it: "We haven't bottomed out."

Trump is now a president in transition, at times angry and increasingly isolated. He fumes in private that just about every time he looks up at a television screen, the cable news headlines are trumpeting yet another scandal. He voices frustration that son-in-law Jared Kushner has few on-air defenders. He revives old grudges. And he confides to friends that he is uncertain about whom to trust.

Trump's closest West Wing confidante, Hope Hicks — the communications director who often acted as a de facto Oval Office therapist — announced her resignation last week, leaving behind a team the president views more as paid staff than surrogate family. So concerned are those around Trump that some of the president's oldest friends have been urging one another to be in touch — the sort of familiar contacts that often lift his spirits.

In an unorthodox presidency in which emotion, impulse and ego often drive events, Trump's ominous moods manifested themselves last week in his zigzagging positions on gun control; his shock trade war that jolted markets and was opposed by Republican leaders and many in his own administration; and his roiling feud of playground insults with Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Some of Trump's advisers say the president is not all doom and gloom, however. He has been pleased with the news coverage of his role in the gun debate and lighthearted moments have leavened his days, such as a recent huddle with staff to prepare his comedic routine for the Gridiron, a Saturday night dinner with Washington officials and journalists.

Still, Trump's friends are increasingly concerned about his well-being, worried that the president's obsession with cable commentary and perceived slights is taking a toll on the 71-year-old. "Pure madness," lamented one exasperated ally.

Retired four-star Army general Barry McCaffrey said the American people — and Congress especially — should be alarmed.

"I think the president is starting to wobble in his emotional stability and this is not going to end well," McCaffrey said. "Trump's judgment is fundamentally flawed, and the more pressure put on him and the more isolated he becomes, I think, his ability to do harm is going to increase."

This portrait of Trump at a moment of crisis just over a year after taking office is based on interviews with 22 White House officials, friends and advisers to the president and other administration allies, most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly discuss Trump's state of mind.

The tumult comes as special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's investigation of Russia's 2016 election interference and the president's possible obstruction of justice has intensified. Meanwhile, Kushner, a White House senior adviser, was stripped last week of his access to the nation's top secrets amid increasing public scrutiny of his foreign contacts and of his mixing of business and government work.

Trump has been asking people close to him whether they think Kushner or his company has done anything wrong, according to a senior administration official. Two advisers said the president repeatedly tells aides that the Russia investigation will not ensnare him — even as it ensnares others around him — and that he thinks the American people are finally starting to conclude that the Democrats, as opposed to his campaign, colluded with the Russians.

Still, the developments have delivered one negative headline after another, leading Trump to lose his cool — especially in the evenings and early mornings, when he often is most isolated, according to advisers.

For instance, aides said, Trump seethed with anger last Wednesday night over cable news coverage of a photo, obtained by Axios, showing Sessions at dinner with Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, who oversees the Russia investigation, and another top Justice Department prosecutor. The outing was described in news reports as amounting to an act of solidarity after Trump had attacked Sessions in a tweet that morning.

The next morning, Trump was still raging about the photo, venting to friends and allies about a dinner he viewed as an intentional show of disloyalty.

Trump has long been furious with Sessions for recusing himself from oversight of the Russia probe, and privately mocks him as "Mr. Magoo," an elderly and bumbling cartoon character. But this past week the president was irate that his attorney general had asked the Justice Department's inspector general — as opposed to criminal prosecutors — to investigate alleged misdeeds by the FBI in obtaining surveillance warrants.

On Friday morning, Trump targeted his ire elsewhere. About an hour after Fox News Channel aired a segment about comedian Alec Baldwin saying he had tired of impersonating Trump on NBC's "Saturday Night Live," Trump lit into Baldwin on Twitter, initially misspelling his first name. "It was agony for those who were forced to watch," the president wrote at 5:42 a.m.

"Trump's fundamentally distorted personality — which at its core is chaotic, volatile and transgressive — when combined with the powers of the presidency had to end poorly," said Peter Wehner, a veteran of the three previous Republican administrations and a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. "What we're now seeing is the radiating effects of that, and it's enveloped him, his White House, his family and his friends."

Trump jetted Friday to his favorite refuge, his private Mar-a-Lago Club in South Florida, where he dined on the gilded patio with old friends — former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani and wife Judith and Blackstone Group chairman Stephen A. Schwarzman, among others. Trump tried to convince his companions that trade tariffs were more popular than they think, according to someone with knowledge of their conversation.

Shortly after 8 a.m. Saturday, he rolled up to the Trump International Golf Course for a sunny, 70-degree morning on the greens. Rather than firing off a flurry of angry messages as on other recent weekend mornings, the president tweeted only, "Happy National Anthem Day!" But then shortly after noon, once he returned to Mar-a-Lago from the golf course, Trump tweeted that the mainstream media has "gone CRAZY!"

Christopher Ruddy, the chief executive of Newsmax and a Trump friend, said, "I'm bewildered when I see these reports that he's in turmoil. Every time I speak to him he seems more relaxed and in control than ever. He seems pretty optimistic about how things are shaping up."

Trump is testing the patience of his own staff, some of whom think he is not listening to their advice. White House counsel Donald McGahn and national economic council director Gary Cohn have been especially frustrated, according to other advisers.

The situation seems to be grating as well on White House chief of staff John F. Kelly, who had been on the ropes over his handling of domestic-abuse allegations against former staff secretary Rob Porter but who now appears on firmer footing. Talking last week about his move from being homeland security secretary to the West Wing, Kelly quipped, "God punished me."

Last Friday, Kelly tried to explain anew the timeline of Porter's dismissal with a group of reporters — an unprompted move that annoyed and confused some White House staffers, who thought they were finally moving past the controversy that had consumed much of February.

"Morale is the worst it's ever been," said a Republican strategist in frequent contact with White House staff. "Nobody knows what to expect."

Since Trump entered presidential politics three years ago, Hicks has been his stabilizing constant, tending his moods and whims in addition to managing his image. Within the president's orbit, many wonder whether Trump has fully absorbed the impact of Hicks's upcoming departure.

Trump told one friend that Hicks was a great young woman, who, after three intense years, was ready to do her own thing. He told this friend that he recognized the White House was full of "tough hombres," according to someone briefed on the conversation.

But other confidants said the president feels abandoned and alone — not angry with Hicks, but frustrated by the circumstance. Coupled with last fall's departure of longtime bodyguard Keith Schiller, Trump will have few pure loyalists remaining.

"Losing people is too much of a story for the president," said oil investor Dan K. Eberhart, a Trump supporter and a Republican National Committee fundraiser. "It just seems like it's imploding . . . Trump had momentum with tax reform, the State of the Union speech. He should try to keep that going."

On Capitol Hill, lawmakers were left in varying states of consternation by Trump's whipsaw on guns. He suggested publicly last Wednesday that he favored tougher background checks and would forgo due process in taking away guns from the mentally ill, but then sent opposite signals after huddling with National Rifle Association lobbyists the next night.

Trump's aides said his vacillation was a function of the controlled chaos the president likes to sow. Trump recently has come to favor opening his meetings to the media — "It's like his own TV show," said one adviser — where he often chews over outlandish ideas, plays to the assembled press and talks up bipartisan consensus, even if it never leads to actual policy.

Trump doesn't see guns through the traditional prism of left vs. right, but rather as a Manhattan business developer, said one senior administration official, adding that he has told staff that he doesn't understand why people need assault rifles.

The president's decision last Thursday to announce steep new tariffs on aluminum and steel — and gleefully tout a possible trade war — caught almost his entire team, including some of his top trade advisers, by surprise.

Earlier in the week, Cohn was telling people he was going to continue stalling Trump on tariffs. He described the tariffs as "obviously stupid," in the recollection of one person who spoke to him.

"Gary said to him, you can't do this, you can't do that," a senior administration official said. "The more you tell him that, the more he is going to do what he wants to do."

Trump's allies say that in his past ventures he has thrived in chaotic environments, and he has replicated that atmosphere in the White House. Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) recalled visiting Trump in the Oval Office for a bill-signing photo opportunity a few weeks into his presidency that was scheduled to last just a few minutes.

"We were in there over an hour, and every White House character was in there at one point or another. . . . It was like Grand Central station," King said. "He has a way of getting things done. He had the worst campaign ever. On election night, he was the guy smiling and had won."
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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